Air carrier PIC refuses holding instructions. Pilot flight crew request denied on other holding area...

Attributes
ACN	280348
Time
Date	199408
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : phl
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : phl tower : orl
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	280348
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Weather
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Bucks 3 arrival phl 13000 ft. I request to stop descent for WX/heavy rain return on radar. Controller didn't understand how serious I was and gave us heading and holding instructions at bucks. We requested hold east of fix. Request denied by ATC. I told him I could not hold or fly west of bucks and refused 280 heading. I reply that I can only fly 360 to 090 for WX. ATC hand us off. Next ATC flew us north and east for vector from east. All went well from that point arrival phl approximately 15 min late for WX deviation. ATC didn't know how bad heavy rain was. This was approximately 15 local time. East of lrp FL130.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR PIC REFUSES HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS. PLT FLC REQUEST DENIED ON OTHER HOLDING AREA.

Narrative: BUCKS 3 ARR PHL 13000 FT. I REQUEST TO STOP DSCNT FOR WX/HVY RAIN RETURN ON RADAR. CTLR DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SERIOUS I WAS AND GAVE US HDG AND HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS AT BUCKS. WE REQUESTED HOLD E OF FIX. REQUEST DENIED BY ATC. I TOLD HIM I COULD NOT HOLD OR FLY W OF BUCKS AND REFUSED 280 HDG. I REPLY THAT I CAN ONLY FLY 360 TO 090 FOR WX. ATC HAND US OFF. NEXT ATC FLEW US N AND E FOR VECTOR FROM E. ALL WENT WELL FROM THAT POINT ARR PHL APPROX 15 MIN LATE FOR WX DEV. ATC DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD HVY RAIN WAS. THIS WAS APPROX 15 LCL TIME. E OF LRP FL130.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.