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Attributes | |
ACN | 280581 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa tracon : oak |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 280581 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 280368 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At approximately 230 NM east of sfo. Center requested descent to 390, then 350. I requested to stay at 450 with discretion to descend. This was denied. I advised center the possibility of having minimum fuel with an early descent. After numerous vectors off course we were cleared to mod and to continue the mod 2 arrival at FL240. Between mod and cedes intersection bay approach said we were not answering radio calls. The first time we were aware of this was when we requested descent from 240 near cedes intersection. The controller said he had called and we were not listening. He gave us a phone number to call. We told bay approach we were approaching minimum fuel. They proceeded to give us vectors away from sfo, one to a heading of 030 degrees. I understood after 030 degrees cleared direct to cedes. He said he had not cleared me to do that and cleared me back to 030 degrees. He then gave me a right turn. He then asked me to do a 360 degree turn. I refused. Declaring minimum fuel. I had gone from 28 NM to almost 45 NM from sfo. They then cleared me to the sfo airport for the quiet bridge visual to runway 28R. The supervisor said they had called 7 times and we did not answer. There is no way we could miss 7 calls unless they were calling on a frequency we were not on. I have noticed in recent yrs ATC is losing reality with flying. Supplemental information from acn 280368: a radio handoff was either not given or missed and we remained at FL240 when we were getting too close in. I called ATC and asked for lower, I was then informed that we had been handed off. We had 1/5 minimum (VFR minimums) or 950 pounds of fuel on board. We talked with the FAA and called 2 center supervisors to resolve the misunderstandings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA JET PLTS DECLARE MINIMUM FUEL WHEN UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH APCH CTLR RADAR VECTORING.
Narrative: AT APPROX 230 NM E OF SFO. CTR REQUESTED DSCNT TO 390, THEN 350. I REQUESTED TO STAY AT 450 WITH DISCRETION TO DSND. THIS WAS DENIED. I ADVISED CTR THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING MINIMUM FUEL WITH AN EARLY DSCNT. AFTER NUMEROUS VECTORS OFF COURSE WE WERE CLRED TO MOD AND TO CONTINUE THE MOD 2 ARR AT FL240. BTWN MOD AND CEDES INTXN BAY APCH SAID WE WERE NOT ANSWERING RADIO CALLS. THE FIRST TIME WE WERE AWARE OF THIS WAS WHEN WE REQUESTED DSCNT FROM 240 NEAR CEDES INTXN. THE CTLR SAID HE HAD CALLED AND WE WERE NOT LISTENING. HE GAVE US A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL. WE TOLD BAY APCH WE WERE APCHING MINIMUM FUEL. THEY PROCEEDED TO GIVE US VECTORS AWAY FROM SFO, ONE TO A HDG OF 030 DEGS. I UNDERSTOOD AFTER 030 DEGS CLRED DIRECT TO CEDES. HE SAID HE HAD NOT CLRED ME TO DO THAT AND CLRED ME BACK TO 030 DEGS. HE THEN GAVE ME A R TURN. HE THEN ASKED ME TO DO A 360 DEG TURN. I REFUSED. DECLARING MINIMUM FUEL. I HAD GONE FROM 28 NM TO ALMOST 45 NM FROM SFO. THEY THEN CLRED ME TO THE SFO ARPT FOR THE QUIET BRIDGE VISUAL TO RWY 28R. THE SUPVR SAID THEY HAD CALLED 7 TIMES AND WE DID NOT ANSWER. THERE IS NO WAY WE COULD MISS 7 CALLS UNLESS THEY WERE CALLING ON A FREQ WE WERE NOT ON. I HAVE NOTICED IN RECENT YRS ATC IS LOSING REALITY WITH FLYING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 280368: A RADIO HDOF WAS EITHER NOT GIVEN OR MISSED AND WE REMAINED AT FL240 WHEN WE WERE GETTING TOO CLOSE IN. I CALLED ATC AND ASKED FOR LOWER, I WAS THEN INFORMED THAT WE HAD BEEN HANDED OFF. WE HAD 1/5 MINIMUM (VFR MINIMUMS) OR 950 LBS OF FUEL ON BOARD. WE TALKED WITH THE FAA AND CALLED 2 CTR SUPVRS TO RESOLVE THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.