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Attributes | |
ACN | 281400 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 281400 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The E-6 logbook had a E-693 placard of MEL 78-01A l-hand reverser inoperative. On the spoiler handle and on the automatic brake lever there were 2 small inoperative stickers on them with the words inoperative on takeoff. Nowhere in the MEL manual or E-6 logbook did it say these were or should be inoperative or not used. I called technicians and they said the mpm 78-01 refers to placing those placards on those items. Local ord maintenance gave me the same response. MEL 78-01A does not say anything about those 2 placards. Also MEL 78-01A does not have any weight penalty but MEL 28-8 for automatic spoilers does have a weight penalty. I could not get maintenance to give me an e- 693 placard for those 2 items -- spoiler or automatic brakes - - nor would maintenance add any writing on the E-693 placard about not using the automatic spoiler or automatic brakes on takeoff. I went ahead and took the airplane because all items in MEL 78-01A were covered and the automatic spoiler system and automatic brakes were actually not inoperative. Technicians told me there was a revision coming out to correct this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN OBFUSCATION IN THE MEL ALMOST GNDS AN ACFT.
Narrative: THE E-6 LOGBOOK HAD A E-693 PLACARD OF MEL 78-01A L-HAND REVERSER INOP. ON THE SPOILER HANDLE AND ON THE AUTO BRAKE LEVER THERE WERE 2 SMALL INOP STICKERS ON THEM WITH THE WORDS INOP ON TKOF. NOWHERE IN THE MEL MANUAL OR E-6 LOGBOOK DID IT SAY THESE WERE OR SHOULD BE INOP OR NOT USED. I CALLED TECHNICIANS AND THEY SAID THE MPM 78-01 REFERS TO PLACING THOSE PLACARDS ON THOSE ITEMS. LCL ORD MAINT GAVE ME THE SAME RESPONSE. MEL 78-01A DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE 2 PLACARDS. ALSO MEL 78-01A DOES NOT HAVE ANY WT PENALTY BUT MEL 28-8 FOR AUTO SPOILERS DOES HAVE A WT PENALTY. I COULD NOT GET MAINT TO GIVE ME AN E- 693 PLACARD FOR THOSE 2 ITEMS -- SPOILER OR AUTO BRAKES - - NOR WOULD MAINT ADD ANY WRITING ON THE E-693 PLACARD ABOUT NOT USING THE AUTO SPOILER OR AUTO BRAKES ON TKOF. I WENT AHEAD AND TOOK THE AIRPLANE BECAUSE ALL ITEMS IN MEL 78-01A WERE COVERED AND THE AUTO SPOILER SYS AND AUTO BRAKES WERE ACTUALLY NOT INOP. TECHNICIANS TOLD ME THERE WAS A REVISION COMING OUT TO CORRECT THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.