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Reporter claims TCASII RA to climb was responded to 'simultaneous' with ATC TA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 281573 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199408 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : bdr |
| State Reference | CT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13600 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : zny |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5400 flight time type : 3300 |
| ASRS Report | 281573 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 900 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During cruise at 13000 ft MSL around soars intersection while operating under IFR, we were with ZNY on frequency 126.8. We never got a 'traffic, traffic,' but instead got an 'RA.' almost simultaneously, center called VFR traffic at 1 O'clock at 12500 ft MSL, and we got a TCASII RA to 'climb, climb, climb.' the captain (flying) initiated a climb of 1500 FPM to 2000 FPM as directed by TCASII, I called center to advise him of our climb due to a TCASII command, he angrily told us that that was quote 'stupid,' that he had told us of the VFR traffic at 12500 ft, and asked what our altitude was. By then we had received a 'clear of conflict' annunciation and were returning to 13000 ft. I told him we had climbed to about 13600 ft and were returning to 13000 ft. He again asked why we climbed since he had called the traffic, I said because we never saw the traffic and that the FAA (as well as our company) says we are to respond to all RA's -- he then said he planned to write us up. We never saw the traffic. We did exactly what the FAA (and our company) expects us to do. We were fully coordinated as a crew. I plan to follow the next RA. Also, this controller needs to get with the program. TCASII is here to stay.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR CLAIMS TCASII RA TO CLB WAS RESPONDED TO 'SIMULTANEOUS' WITH ATC TA.
Narrative: DURING CRUISE AT 13000 FT MSL AROUND SOARS INTXN WHILE OPERATING UNDER IFR, WE WERE WITH ZNY ON FREQ 126.8. WE NEVER GOT A 'TFC, TFC,' BUT INSTEAD GOT AN 'RA.' ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY, CTR CALLED VFR TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK AT 12500 FT MSL, AND WE GOT A TCASII RA TO 'CLB, CLB, CLB.' THE CAPT (FLYING) INITIATED A CLB OF 1500 FPM TO 2000 FPM AS DIRECTED BY TCASII, I CALLED CTR TO ADVISE HIM OF OUR CLB DUE TO A TCASII COMMAND, HE ANGRILY TOLD US THAT THAT WAS QUOTE 'STUPID,' THAT HE HAD TOLD US OF THE VFR TFC AT 12500 FT, AND ASKED WHAT OUR ALT WAS. BY THEN WE HAD RECEIVED A 'CLR OF CONFLICT' ANNUNCIATION AND WERE RETURNING TO 13000 FT. I TOLD HIM WE HAD CLBED TO ABOUT 13600 FT AND WERE RETURNING TO 13000 FT. HE AGAIN ASKED WHY WE CLBED SINCE HE HAD CALLED THE TFC, I SAID BECAUSE WE NEVER SAW THE TFC AND THAT THE FAA (AS WELL AS OUR COMPANY) SAYS WE ARE TO RESPOND TO ALL RA'S -- HE THEN SAID HE PLANNED TO WRITE US UP. WE NEVER SAW THE TFC. WE DID EXACTLY WHAT THE FAA (AND OUR COMPANY) EXPECTS US TO DO. WE WERE FULLY COORDINATED AS A CREW. I PLAN TO FOLLOW THE NEXT RA. ALSO, THIS CTLR NEEDS TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM. TCASII IS HERE TO STAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.