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Attributes | |
ACN | 281618 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 281618 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Armed passenger notification. 45 mins after departure, the #1 flight attendant handed me the captain's copy of form E-2 which she had just found buried in her paperwork for the flight. She said she had just found it in her gallery. I asked if the agent had verbally told her about the armed passenger and she replied that finding the sheet was the first she knew of the matter. Looking over the E-2 , I noticed that the passenger was from the virgin islands. What ran through my mind at the time was, what kind of training does this individual have that makes him safe to have a gun on an airplane, and what business does a policeman from a caribbean island have carrying a gun within the domestic united states. Part 1, section 13, paragraph 18, says the captain is to be advised of armed passenger before they are boarded. If this procedure had been followed, I would have known that there was an armed passenger on board. I could have taken the time to find out if the individual really needed to be carrying a gun on this flight. I have no problem with the fbi or secret service being on the airplane with weapons, however, other passenger, especially those from outside the united states, need to show a good reason to carry weapons on board.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PROCS NOT FOLLOWED REGARDING ARMED PAX.
Narrative: ARMED PAX NOTIFICATION. 45 MINS AFTER DEP, THE #1 FLT ATTENDANT HANDED ME THE CAPT'S COPY OF FORM E-2 WHICH SHE HAD JUST FOUND BURIED IN HER PAPERWORK FOR THE FLT. SHE SAID SHE HAD JUST FOUND IT IN HER GALLERY. I ASKED IF THE AGENT HAD VERBALLY TOLD HER ABOUT THE ARMED PAX AND SHE REPLIED THAT FINDING THE SHEET WAS THE FIRST SHE KNEW OF THE MATTER. LOOKING OVER THE E-2 , I NOTICED THAT THE PAX WAS FROM THE VIRGIN ISLANDS. WHAT RAN THROUGH MY MIND AT THE TIME WAS, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING DOES THIS INDIVIDUAL HAVE THAT MAKES HIM SAFE TO HAVE A GUN ON AN AIRPLANE, AND WHAT BUSINESS DOES A POLICEMAN FROM A CARIBBEAN ISLAND HAVE CARRYING A GUN WITHIN THE DOMESTIC UNITED STATES. PART 1, SECTION 13, PARAGRAPH 18, SAYS THE CAPT IS TO BE ADVISED OF ARMED PAX BEFORE THEY ARE BOARDED. IF THIS PROC HAD BEEN FOLLOWED, I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THERE WAS AN ARMED PAX ON BOARD. I COULD HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO FIND OUT IF THE INDIVIDUAL REALLY NEEDED TO BE CARRYING A GUN ON THIS FLT. I HAVE NO PROB WITH THE FBI OR SECRET SVC BEING ON THE AIRPLANE WITH WEAPONS, HOWEVER, OTHER PAX, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES, NEED TO SHOW A GOOD REASON TO CARRY WEAPONS ON BOARD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.