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Attributes | |
ACN | 288842 |
Time | |
Date | 199411 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lbb |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 1550 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 288842 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We called for taxi clearance requesting runway 17R for departure. The ground controller responded with, 'taxi to runway 17R.' in order for full length to be available when taxiing from the west side of the field, you must cross runway 17R at intersection sierra. I assumed that when he told me to taxi to runway 17R, that he was aware that I wanted full length and that the deletion of 'hold short of runway 17R at sierra' in the initial taxi clearance that I was cleared to the end of runway 17R. I crossed runway 17R and the deviation occurred. I feel that in sits that require crossing of active runways to achieve full length for departure, that the ground controller should issue a 'hold short' clearance instead of just clearing someone to taxi. I know that would have kept me from crossing without confirmation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CORPORATE ACFT TAXIES ONTO ACTIVE RWY.
Narrative: WE CALLED FOR TAXI CLRNC REQUESTING RWY 17R FOR DEP. THE GND CTLR RESPONDED WITH, 'TAXI TO RWY 17R.' IN ORDER FOR FULL LENGTH TO BE AVAILABLE WHEN TAXIING FROM THE W SIDE OF THE FIELD, YOU MUST CROSS RWY 17R AT INTXN SIERRA. I ASSUMED THAT WHEN HE TOLD ME TO TAXI TO RWY 17R, THAT HE WAS AWARE THAT I WANTED FULL LENGTH AND THAT THE DELETION OF 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 17R AT SIERRA' IN THE INITIAL TAXI CLRNC THAT I WAS CLRED TO THE END OF RWY 17R. I CROSSED RWY 17R AND THE DEV OCCURRED. I FEEL THAT IN SITS THAT REQUIRE XING OF ACTIVE RWYS TO ACHIEVE FULL LENGTH FOR DEP, THAT THE GND CTLR SHOULD ISSUE A 'HOLD SHORT' CLRNC INSTEAD OF JUST CLRING SOMEONE TO TAXI. I KNOW THAT WOULD HAVE KEPT ME FROM XING WITHOUT CONFIRMATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.