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Attributes | |
ACN | 290249 |
Time | |
Date | 199411 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 290249 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On vectors for ILS runway 11R msp at XX45 CST downwind. Approach control advised runway will close at XX00 for snow removal. (Runway 11R braking fair to poor, 11000 ft long. Runway 11L braking poor and 8200 ft long). Ask approach to get us in on runway 11R before on the hour -- can't do it -- must use runway 11L. The airport authority should close and work on worst runway first! 4 mi final to runway 11L tower advised: 'cleared to land, wind 010/16, braking poor, and caution wake turbulence B-757 to departure prior to your arrival.' we are flying managed airspeed 'gndspd mini' 160 KIAS, vref 140 KIAS. I commented to controller that, given the situation, I did not think it was good judgement to put B-757 in position -- if he took off and we had to go around (IMC) there was a good possibility for a collision. At 3 NM final he told 757 to clear runway -- 757 wanted to takeoff. Told him to clear again. At approximately 1 NM saw 757 clearing runway. We landed. Braking very poor. Used maximum reverse and braking to stop by end of runway. Reverse thrust caused snow to be drawn into air conditioning. Flight attendants called at 50 KTS 'fog or smoke' in cabin. First officer quickly explained situation to flight attendants with snow and reverse. Meanwhile tower calling to see if we were clear of runway. I could not answer trying to stop and clear runway, first officer. Talking to flight attendants. After clear of the runway I answered tower on his fourth or fifth call. Explained to ground the situation. Wrote company safety report. Makes me want to retire! This airport makes a habit of departing aircraft on same runway when you are on short final (IMC and VMC) creating safety problems (b- 747, dc-10's, etc).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WINTERTIME PROBS AT MSP.
Narrative: ON VECTORS FOR ILS RWY 11R MSP AT XX45 CST DOWNWIND. APCH CTL ADVISED RWY WILL CLOSE AT XX00 FOR SNOW REMOVAL. (RWY 11R BRAKING FAIR TO POOR, 11000 FT LONG. RWY 11L BRAKING POOR AND 8200 FT LONG). ASK APCH TO GET US IN ON RWY 11R BEFORE ON THE HR -- CAN'T DO IT -- MUST USE RWY 11L. THE ARPT AUTHORITY SHOULD CLOSE AND WORK ON WORST RWY FIRST! 4 MI FINAL TO RWY 11L TWR ADVISED: 'CLRED TO LAND, WIND 010/16, BRAKING POOR, AND CAUTION WAKE TURB B-757 TO DEP PRIOR TO YOUR ARR.' WE ARE FLYING MANAGED AIRSPD 'GNDSPD MINI' 160 KIAS, VREF 140 KIAS. I COMMENTED TO CTLR THAT, GIVEN THE SIT, I DID NOT THINK IT WAS GOOD JUDGEMENT TO PUT B-757 IN POS -- IF HE TOOK OFF AND WE HAD TO GAR (IMC) THERE WAS A GOOD POSSIBILITY FOR A COLLISION. AT 3 NM FINAL HE TOLD 757 TO CLR RWY -- 757 WANTED TO TKOF. TOLD HIM TO CLR AGAIN. AT APPROX 1 NM SAW 757 CLRING RWY. WE LANDED. BRAKING VERY POOR. USED MAX REVERSE AND BRAKING TO STOP BY END OF RWY. REVERSE THRUST CAUSED SNOW TO BE DRAWN INTO AIR CONDITIONING. FLT ATTENDANTS CALLED AT 50 KTS 'FOG OR SMOKE' IN CABIN. FO QUICKLY EXPLAINED SIT TO FLT ATTENDANTS WITH SNOW AND REVERSE. MEANWHILE TWR CALLING TO SEE IF WE WERE CLR OF RWY. I COULD NOT ANSWER TRYING TO STOP AND CLR RWY, FO. TALKING TO FLT ATTENDANTS. AFTER CLR OF THE RWY I ANSWERED TWR ON HIS FOURTH OR FIFTH CALL. EXPLAINED TO GND THE SIT. WROTE COMPANY SAFETY RPT. MAKES ME WANT TO RETIRE! THIS ARPT MAKES A HABIT OF DEPARTING ACFT ON SAME RWY WHEN YOU ARE ON SHORT FINAL (IMC AND VMC) CREATING SAFETY PROBS (B- 747, DC-10'S, ETC).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.