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Attributes | |
ACN | 291950 |
Time | |
Date | 199412 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pgv |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 600 msl bound upper : 600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Baron 58/58TC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 36 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 5077 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 291950 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 9000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During taxi I called CTAF announcing 'atx taxiway 1.' also, monitoring ZDC listening for someone on approach at hold short line, I requested on CTAF of any aircraft on approach. No response. I continued with takeoff checklist and just before takeoff I announced departure runway 1 nwbound. AWOS reporting 1100 ft RVR 7 mi visibility. I departed VFR to maintain VFR on a short hop to rwi 28 mi northwest of pgv. On climb out off runway 1 pgv, I started a left turn to 310 degrees noticing an aircraft on approach to runway 19 ILS about 2 mi away. I continued my turn to depart the pattern and avoid any conflict, which by the way I never considered there being any conflict. At that time I heard the first radio call on CTAF or with center. The aircraft announced pattern entry on downwind for runway 1 (winds were strong out of the north and ILS only on runway 19). On CTAF the aircraft announced he had my aircraft in sight and entering downwind for runway 1. That was his first call on CTAF. Then, the pilot switched back to ZDC and asked the controller if he had released anyone to depart pgv -- controller said no. Pilot said to controller that he had an aircraft turn just in front of him on departure, and then he said he was going back to CTAF. I'm not justifying my departure in marginal conditions, I am justifying my legal rights to have departed general controled airspace under the conditions at that time. And to emphasize the importance and awareness of pilot procedure when negotiating IFR or VFR in such airspace. It is my belief that the other aircraft had not anticipated the possibility of the occurrence. Even if the aircraft only has 1 radio, the controller will switch you over to CTAF at, if not before, the OM. And if the aircraft has 2 radios, well you can monitor and communicate. CTAF 20 mi out. After departing the area, I called the aircraft CTAF and announced that I had indeed communicated my intention at pgv before and during my departure, and that I wish we had communicated so as to avoid any surprises. His response was 'we'll talk about it later bud!' I learned my lesson from this occurrence. But I don't know if he learned anything.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ANOTHER ACFT PLT BELIEVES RPTR CREATED A CONFLICT BY NOT OBTAINING AN IFR DEP FROM AN UNCTLED ARPT.
Narrative: DURING TAXI I CALLED CTAF ANNOUNCING 'ATX TXWY 1.' ALSO, MONITORING ZDC LISTENING FOR SOMEONE ON APCH AT HOLD SHORT LINE, I REQUESTED ON CTAF OF ANY ACFT ON APCH. NO RESPONSE. I CONTINUED WITH TKOF CHKLIST AND JUST BEFORE TKOF I ANNOUNCED DEP RWY 1 NWBOUND. AWOS RPTING 1100 FT RVR 7 MI VISIBILITY. I DEPARTED VFR TO MAINTAIN VFR ON A SHORT HOP TO RWI 28 MI NW OF PGV. ON CLBOUT OFF RWY 1 PGV, I STARTED A L TURN TO 310 DEGS NOTICING AN ACFT ON APCH TO RWY 19 ILS ABOUT 2 MI AWAY. I CONTINUED MY TURN TO DEPART THE PATTERN AND AVOID ANY CONFLICT, WHICH BY THE WAY I NEVER CONSIDERED THERE BEING ANY CONFLICT. AT THAT TIME I HEARD THE FIRST RADIO CALL ON CTAF OR WITH CTR. THE ACFT ANNOUNCED PATTERN ENTRY ON DOWNWIND FOR RWY 1 (WINDS WERE STRONG OUT OF THE N AND ILS ONLY ON RWY 19). ON CTAF THE ACFT ANNOUNCED HE HAD MY ACFT IN SIGHT AND ENTERING DOWNWIND FOR RWY 1. THAT WAS HIS FIRST CALL ON CTAF. THEN, THE PLT SWITCHED BACK TO ZDC AND ASKED THE CTLR IF HE HAD RELEASED ANYONE TO DEPART PGV -- CTLR SAID NO. PLT SAID TO CTLR THAT HE HAD AN ACFT TURN JUST IN FRONT OF HIM ON DEP, AND THEN HE SAID HE WAS GOING BACK TO CTAF. I'M NOT JUSTIFYING MY DEP IN MARGINAL CONDITIONS, I AM JUSTIFYING MY LEGAL RIGHTS TO HAVE DEPARTED GENERAL CTLED AIRSPACE UNDER THE CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME. AND TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE AND AWARENESS OF PLT PROC WHEN NEGOTIATING IFR OR VFR IN SUCH AIRSPACE. IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE OTHER ACFT HAD NOT ANTICIPATED THE POSSIBILITY OF THE OCCURRENCE. EVEN IF THE ACFT ONLY HAS 1 RADIO, THE CTLR WILL SWITCH YOU OVER TO CTAF AT, IF NOT BEFORE, THE OM. AND IF THE ACFT HAS 2 RADIOS, WELL YOU CAN MONITOR AND COMMUNICATE. CTAF 20 MI OUT. AFTER DEPARTING THE AREA, I CALLED THE ACFT CTAF AND ANNOUNCED THAT I HAD INDEED COMMUNICATED MY INTENTION AT PGV BEFORE AND DURING MY DEP, AND THAT I WISH WE HAD COMMUNICATED SO AS TO AVOID ANY SURPRISES. HIS RESPONSE WAS 'WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER BUD!' I LEARNED MY LESSON FROM THIS OCCURRENCE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE LEARNED ANYTHING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.