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Attributes | |
ACN | 293557 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tracon : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 293557 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
GPWS terrain warning on approach to runway 24R, lax. Flight origin: san diego. In lax terminal area, socal approach vectored us north across runway 24R localizer west of roman at 7000 ft. We were turned downwind heading east and descended to 5000 ft, base turn was about 5-6 mi east of merce at 3500 ft. We were given a 230 degree intercept heading and told to descend to 2500 ft. We leveled and intercepted runway 24R localizer about 4-5 mi outside of merce. Just after leveloff, on the localizer, our GPWS called 'terrain, terrain.' by company procedure in IMC, we climbed with maximum power. The warning stopped about 3000 ft in the climb. We leveled at 3500 ft still on the localizer inbound. Approach control was advised of the maneuver and our altitude. His reply, 'there isn't any terrain near your position' and he then cleared us for approach. We continued uneventfully to landing. We were IMC and could not see the ground, even though we were certain of our position when the GPWS called 'terrain, terrain, terrain,' we climbed per SOP. Even though numerous targets were in the vicinity, we did not get a TCASII warning. 2 items stand out: 1) we were cleared to an altitude 1500 ft below the segment altitude for that approach. We accepted it after a quick rechk of the approach plate showed no terrain inbound on the localizer. However, there is a spot elevation 1388 ft just below the localizer course, about 6 mi east of merce. The GPWS possibly could have interpreted a steep or abrupt increase in terrain as rising terrain within the parameters of the GPWS. 2) making a go around climb, in IMC, in the los angeles basin terminal area, with a load of passenger, is scary. Avoiding other traffic and getting another ATC clearance became the priority. In a 2-MAN cockpit it got busy for a few moments. This was my first GPWS alert. I reacted the way I was trained.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GPWS ON RADAR VECTORING CAUSES ACR FLC RESPONSE IN ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION.
Narrative: GPWS TERRAIN WARNING ON APCH TO RWY 24R, LAX. FLT ORIGIN: SAN DIEGO. IN LAX TERMINAL AREA, SOCAL APCH VECTORED US N ACROSS RWY 24R LOC W OF ROMAN AT 7000 FT. WE WERE TURNED DOWNWIND HDG E AND DSNDED TO 5000 FT, BASE TURN WAS ABOUT 5-6 MI E OF MERCE AT 3500 FT. WE WERE GIVEN A 230 DEG INTERCEPT HDG AND TOLD TO DSND TO 2500 FT. WE LEVELED AND INTERCEPTED RWY 24R LOC ABOUT 4-5 MI OUTSIDE OF MERCE. JUST AFTER LEVELOFF, ON THE LOC, OUR GPWS CALLED 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN.' BY COMPANY PROC IN IMC, WE CLBED WITH MAX PWR. THE WARNING STOPPED ABOUT 3000 FT IN THE CLB. WE LEVELED AT 3500 FT STILL ON THE LOC INBOUND. APCH CTL WAS ADVISED OF THE MANEUVER AND OUR ALT. HIS REPLY, 'THERE ISN'T ANY TERRAIN NEAR YOUR POS' AND HE THEN CLRED US FOR APCH. WE CONTINUED UNEVENTFULLY TO LNDG. WE WERE IMC AND COULD NOT SEE THE GND, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE CERTAIN OF OUR POS WHEN THE GPWS CALLED 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN, TERRAIN,' WE CLBED PER SOP. EVEN THOUGH NUMEROUS TARGETS WERE IN THE VICINITY, WE DID NOT GET A TCASII WARNING. 2 ITEMS STAND OUT: 1) WE WERE CLRED TO AN ALT 1500 FT BELOW THE SEGMENT ALT FOR THAT APCH. WE ACCEPTED IT AFTER A QUICK RECHK OF THE APCH PLATE SHOWED NO TERRAIN INBOUND ON THE LOC. HOWEVER, THERE IS A SPOT ELEVATION 1388 FT JUST BELOW THE LOC COURSE, ABOUT 6 MI E OF MERCE. THE GPWS POSSIBLY COULD HAVE INTERPRETED A STEEP OR ABRUPT INCREASE IN TERRAIN AS RISING TERRAIN WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE GPWS. 2) MAKING A GAR CLB, IN IMC, IN THE LOS ANGELES BASIN TERMINAL AREA, WITH A LOAD OF PAX, IS SCARY. AVOIDING OTHER TFC AND GETTING ANOTHER ATC CLRNC BECAME THE PRIORITY. IN A 2-MAN COCKPIT IT GOT BUSY FOR A FEW MOMENTS. THIS WAS MY FIRST GPWS ALERT. I REACTED THE WAY I WAS TRAINED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.