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Attributes | |
ACN | 293603 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 293603 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | controller radar : 20 flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 293604 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The first officer got our clearance which stated a SID with an altitude of 2500 ft. The altitude selector was set at 5000 ft. I thought he had set it at 5000 ft, he thought I had set it at 5000 ft. Since it is not unusual to have this altitude and this is the published altitude on another departure, we both thought this was normal. Departure had us level at 3000 ft for a few seconds then cleared us to 5000 ft. I'm still not sure of our original assigned altitude, the pre departure clearance didn't include altitude information. Supplemental information from acn 293604: it would be better if departing crews set '0000' in the altitude alert if they were going to reset it for an arriving crew. The remedy would be to finish reading the entire text before getting sidetracked into filling in the blanks.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC MISINTERPRETED SID AND HAD WRONG ALT DISPLAYED IN ALT SELECTOR.
Narrative: THE FO GOT OUR CLRNC WHICH STATED A SID WITH AN ALT OF 2500 FT. THE ALT SELECTOR WAS SET AT 5000 FT. I THOUGHT HE HAD SET IT AT 5000 FT, HE THOUGHT I HAD SET IT AT 5000 FT. SINCE IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE THIS ALT AND THIS IS THE PUBLISHED ALT ON ANOTHER DEP, WE BOTH THOUGHT THIS WAS NORMAL. DEP HAD US LEVEL AT 3000 FT FOR A FEW SECONDS THEN CLRED US TO 5000 FT. I'M STILL NOT SURE OF OUR ORIGINAL ASSIGNED ALT, THE PDC DIDN'T INCLUDE ALT INFO. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 293604: IT WOULD BE BETTER IF DEPARTING CREWS SET '0000' IN THE ALT ALERT IF THEY WERE GOING TO RESET IT FOR AN ARRIVING CREW. THE REMEDY WOULD BE TO FINISH READING THE ENTIRE TEXT BEFORE GETTING SIDETRACKED INTO FILLING IN THE BLANKS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.