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Attributes | |
ACN | 294764 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 19000 msl bound upper : 22000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 294764 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 294957 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was the first officer on this flight and was talking with ATC. The captain was flying the aircraft. We were proceeding direct to civet int, cleared to descend to FL220. We leveled at FL220 and I asked the controller if we were going to get the reedr 3 arrival. The ATIS said lax was landing on 7R and 6L. This is different as lax lands traffic most of the time on 25L and 24R. The controller cleared us for the reedr 3 arrival and to maintain FL220. I was loading the FMS for the reedr 3 arrival, ATC gave us several speed changes and TA's. Several mins later, ATC asked what our assigned altitude was. I saw that we were descending and that FL190 was in our altitude set window on the FMS panel. The captain said that he thought we had been cleared to FL190. I don't recall that. The controller said we were clear of traffic and to descend to 14000 ft. I think the contributing factor to this was not knowing what arrival to expect until we were almost at civet intersection. Most other airports give what arrs to expect on the ATIS. That way the arrival can be loaded into the FMS well in advance. We were very busy in the cockpit when this happened, changing speed, altitude headings, looking for traffic and loading data into the FMS for an arrival which is rarely used.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT DSNDS ON APCH WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: I WAS THE FO ON THIS FLT AND WAS TALKING WITH ATC. THE CAPT WAS FLYING THE ACFT. WE WERE PROCEEDING DIRECT TO CIVET INT, CLRED TO DSND TO FL220. WE LEVELED AT FL220 AND I ASKED THE CTLR IF WE WERE GOING TO GET THE REEDR 3 ARR. THE ATIS SAID LAX WAS LNDG ON 7R AND 6L. THIS IS DIFFERENT AS LAX LANDS TFC MOST OF THE TIME ON 25L AND 24R. THE CTLR CLRED US FOR THE REEDR 3 ARR AND TO MAINTAIN FL220. I WAS LOADING THE FMS FOR THE REEDR 3 ARR, ATC GAVE US SEVERAL SPD CHANGES AND TA'S. SEVERAL MINS LATER, ATC ASKED WHAT OUR ASSIGNED ALT WAS. I SAW THAT WE WERE DSNDING AND THAT FL190 WAS IN OUR ALT SET WINDOW ON THE FMS PANEL. THE CAPT SAID THAT HE THOUGHT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO FL190. I DON'T RECALL THAT. THE CTLR SAID WE WERE CLR OF TFC AND TO DSND TO 14000 FT. I THINK THE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THIS WAS NOT KNOWING WHAT ARR TO EXPECT UNTIL WE WERE ALMOST AT CIVET INTXN. MOST OTHER ARPTS GIVE WHAT ARRS TO EXPECT ON THE ATIS. THAT WAY THE ARR CAN BE LOADED INTO THE FMS WELL IN ADVANCE. WE WERE VERY BUSY IN THE COCKPIT WHEN THIS HAPPENED, CHANGING SPD, ALT HDGS, LOOKING FOR TFC AND LOADING DATA INTO THE FMS FOR AN ARR WHICH IS RARELY USED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.