Published visual approach procedure.

Attributes
ACN	295695
Time
Date	199502
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : dfw
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other
Route In Use	approach : visual arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	other : unknown
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute other
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	295695
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Dfw approach was vectoring us for a stadium visual to runway 31R. First cleared to descend to 4000 ft and fly a stated heading (we had been on scurry arrival). Then we were told to descend to 3000 ft and asked if we had airport or stadium in sight. We called both insight and we were cleared 'the stadium visual runway 31R.' at this time I dialed in 2500 ft on autoplt and left 3000 ft at a 200-300 FPM descent as to arrive over stadium at 2500 ft as depicted on the approach. At this time we had a TA on our TCASII and I observed a target - 700 ft with decreasing separation. As we started to pull up approach controller said 'what are you doing at 2500 ft you're supposed to be at 3000 ft until after the restr on the STAR.' we were now level at 3000 ft. We told her (or asked) what restr? There was a hesitation, and then we asked didn't you clear us for the visual? At this point we were at 3000 ft with 2500 ft depicted, on the stadium visual and we don't know what's going on. Finally we were reclred on the visual and made a steep approach to runway 31R. After studying all charts, we have yet to figure out what 3000 ft restr the controller could have been referring to. Believe this to be a controller error. TCASII worked great!

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PUBLISHED VISUAL APCH PROC.

Narrative: DFW APCH WAS VECTORING US FOR A STADIUM VISUAL TO RWY 31R. FIRST CLRED TO DSND TO 4000 FT AND FLY A STATED HDG (WE HAD BEEN ON SCURRY ARR). THEN WE WERE TOLD TO DSND TO 3000 FT AND ASKED IF WE HAD ARPT OR STADIUM IN SIGHT. WE CALLED BOTH INSIGHT AND WE WERE CLRED 'THE STADIUM VISUAL RWY 31R.' AT THIS TIME I DIALED IN 2500 FT ON AUTOPLT AND LEFT 3000 FT AT A 200-300 FPM DSCNT AS TO ARRIVE OVER STADIUM AT 2500 FT AS DEPICTED ON THE APCH. AT THIS TIME WE HAD A TA ON OUR TCASII AND I OBSERVED A TARGET - 700 FT WITH DECREASING SEPARATION. AS WE STARTED TO PULL UP APCH CTLR SAID 'WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT 2500 FT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 3000 FT UNTIL AFTER THE RESTR ON THE STAR.' WE WERE NOW LEVEL AT 3000 FT. WE TOLD HER (OR ASKED) WHAT RESTR? THERE WAS A HESITATION, AND THEN WE ASKED DIDN'T YOU CLR US FOR THE VISUAL? AT THIS POINT WE WERE AT 3000 FT WITH 2500 FT DEPICTED, ON THE STADIUM VISUAL AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. FINALLY WE WERE RECLRED ON THE VISUAL AND MADE A STEEP APCH TO RWY 31R. AFTER STUDYING ALL CHARTS, WE HAVE YET TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 3000 FT RESTR THE CTLR COULD HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO. BELIEVE THIS TO BE A CTLR ERROR. TCASII WORKED GREAT!

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.