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Attributes | |
ACN | 298292 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bog |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15700 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : bog |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 19400 flight time type : 1240 |
ASRS Report | 298292 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Established in holding pattern at bog-NDB at 16000 ft. Started holding at FL230 and worked down to 16000 ft transitioning through FL190 down to 17000 ft, approach gave us the altimeter of 30.00 inches, which the copilot read back as 30.00 inches, reset altimeters. The crew observed other traffic visually and on the TCASII. An airliner was at 14000 ft, indicating 2000 ft below, on TCASII, and a united states registered bizjet at 13000 ft, indicating 3100 ft below, and occasionally 3000 ft below on our TCASII. Coming out of a turn, inbound to bog NDB fix, we picked up a TA 700-800 ft below us, entering the holding fix. We questioned the controller about this traffic. The subject aircraft, and controller had a long exchange on frequency in spanish. Shortly thereafter, the previous controller was replaced by whom, I assumed, was a supervisor, with a more professional manner of handling the traffic (better english too!) we finally worked our way down to 12000 ft and approach cleared us for ILS runway 13, with 2 aircraft on final, ahead of our flight. Crossing the LOM on GS, I noticed the altimeter crossing altitude about 200 ft low. Then, on landing, noted our 3 altimeters about 240 ft below field elevation of 8355 ft. Parked at ramp set field elevation and barometer, came up with 30.30. The controller's broken/accented, 3 times 3 quality xmissions lead to our hearing 30.00 inches when possibly, the controller said 30.30 inches. Our readback of 30.00 inches was not caught. Not unheard of, in all the ATC system around the world. What puzzles me is that the 2 united states aircraft with english speaking crews were at exact altitudes below, and the closest columbia airliner was 200-300 ft closer to us, (700-800 ft below on TCASII). Possibly, the 3 sets of united states crews misheard the altimeter in initial contact with bog approach control, (or I hope they didn't reset their altimeters based on hearing our readback), or the controller gave us all the wrong setting of 30.00 inches by mistake.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FOREIGN CTLR'S LANGUAGE TRANSLATION, MAY HAVE CAUSED AN ACR FLC, AND POSSIBLY, OTHER UNITED STATES FLC'S, TO OPERATE WITH AN INCORRECT ALTIMETER SETTING. THE INCORRECT ALTIMETER SETTING PLACED ACFT AT 200-300 FT LOWER THAN FIELD ELEVATION.
Narrative: ESTABLISHED IN HOLDING PATTERN AT BOG-NDB AT 16000 FT. STARTED HOLDING AT FL230 AND WORKED DOWN TO 16000 FT TRANSITIONING THROUGH FL190 DOWN TO 17000 FT, APCH GAVE US THE ALTIMETER OF 30.00 INCHES, WHICH THE COPLT READ BACK AS 30.00 INCHES, RESET ALTIMETERS. THE CREW OBSERVED OTHER TFC VISUALLY AND ON THE TCASII. AN AIRLINER WAS AT 14000 FT, INDICATING 2000 FT BELOW, ON TCASII, AND A UNITED STATES REGISTERED BIZJET AT 13000 FT, INDICATING 3100 FT BELOW, AND OCCASIONALLY 3000 FT BELOW ON OUR TCASII. COMING OUT OF A TURN, INBOUND TO BOG NDB FIX, WE PICKED UP A TA 700-800 FT BELOW US, ENTERING THE HOLDING FIX. WE QUESTIONED THE CTLR ABOUT THIS TFC. THE SUBJECT ACFT, AND CTLR HAD A LONG EXCHANGE ON FREQ IN SPANISH. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE PREVIOUS CTLR WAS REPLACED BY WHOM, I ASSUMED, WAS A SUPVR, WITH A MORE PROFESSIONAL MANNER OF HANDLING THE TFC (BETTER ENGLISH TOO!) WE FINALLY WORKED OUR WAY DOWN TO 12000 FT AND APCH CLRED US FOR ILS RWY 13, WITH 2 ACFT ON FINAL, AHEAD OF OUR FLT. XING THE LOM ON GS, I NOTICED THE ALTIMETER XING ALT ABOUT 200 FT LOW. THEN, ON LNDG, NOTED OUR 3 ALTIMETERS ABOUT 240 FT BELOW FIELD ELEVATION OF 8355 FT. PARKED AT RAMP SET FIELD ELEVATION AND BAROMETER, CAME UP WITH 30.30. THE CTLR'S BROKEN/ACCENTED, 3 TIMES 3 QUALITY XMISSIONS LEAD TO OUR HEARING 30.00 INCHES WHEN POSSIBLY, THE CTLR SAID 30.30 INCHES. OUR READBACK OF 30.00 INCHES WAS NOT CAUGHT. NOT UNHEARD OF, IN ALL THE ATC SYS AROUND THE WORLD. WHAT PUZZLES ME IS THAT THE 2 UNITED STATES ACFT WITH ENGLISH SPEAKING CREWS WERE AT EXACT ALTS BELOW, AND THE CLOSEST COLUMBIA AIRLINER WAS 200-300 FT CLOSER TO US, (700-800 FT BELOW ON TCASII). POSSIBLY, THE 3 SETS OF UNITED STATES CREWS MISHEARD THE ALTIMETER IN INITIAL CONTACT WITH BOG APCH CTL, (OR I HOPE THEY DIDN'T RESET THEIR ALTIMETERS BASED ON HEARING OUR READBACK), OR THE CTLR GAVE US ALL THE WRONG SETTING OF 30.00 INCHES BY MISTAKE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.