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Attributes | |
ACN | 299040 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
ASRS Report | 299040 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter : vfr in imc other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I departed X20 about PM30 local and climbed to 7500 ft VFR to sua. I contacted FSS and was given the frequency for flight. Following, I received my squawk code and proceeded on course. As I approached the miami VOR, I noticed the cloud layer becoming overcast and rising slightly. Not wanting to be trapped on top, I started circling over a hole and called approach for lower. After many attempts, I was given a new squawk code and told to descend (I was not cleared into the class B airspace). At 5500 ft, I believed the cloud layer was still blocking my path so I requested, many times, a lower altitude. Finally, in a hurried voice, I was given 'flight following no longer available squawk VFR' or something similar. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter is an instructor for a flight school in florida, he was able to turn around and continue to his home base VFR. He was upset with the treatment given him by mia TRACON. He now believes that he was not inside the class 'B' airspace, just on the edge of it. As this was at night, he was unable to determine how close he was to the clouds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT FOLLOWING DENIED TO NIGHT VFR ACFT.
Narrative: I DEPARTED X20 ABOUT PM30 LCL AND CLBED TO 7500 FT VFR TO SUA. I CONTACTED FSS AND WAS GIVEN THE FREQ FOR FLT. FOLLOWING, I RECEIVED MY SQUAWK CODE AND PROCEEDED ON COURSE. AS I APCHED THE MIAMI VOR, I NOTICED THE CLOUD LAYER BECOMING OVCST AND RISING SLIGHTLY. NOT WANTING TO BE TRAPPED ON TOP, I STARTED CIRCLING OVER A HOLE AND CALLED APCH FOR LOWER. AFTER MANY ATTEMPTS, I WAS GIVEN A NEW SQUAWK CODE AND TOLD TO DSND (I WAS NOT CLRED INTO THE CLASS B AIRSPACE). AT 5500 FT, I BELIEVED THE CLOUD LAYER WAS STILL BLOCKING MY PATH SO I REQUESTED, MANY TIMES, A LOWER ALT. FINALLY, IN A HURRIED VOICE, I WAS GIVEN 'FLT FOLLOWING NO LONGER AVAILABLE SQUAWK VFR' OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR IS AN INSTRUCTOR FOR A FLT SCHOOL IN FLORIDA, HE WAS ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND CONTINUE TO HIS HOME BASE VFR. HE WAS UPSET WITH THE TREATMENT GIVEN HIM BY MIA TRACON. HE NOW BELIEVES THAT HE WAS NOT INSIDE THE CLASS 'B' AIRSPACE, JUST ON THE EDGE OF IT. AS THIS WAS AT NIGHT, HE WAS UNABLE TO DETERMINE HOW CLOSE HE WAS TO THE CLOUDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.