Far 135 flight time problem.

Attributes
ACN	299061
Time
Date	199503
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : phx airport : yum
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 2520 flight time type : 270
ASRS Report	299061
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Total scheduled hours for the days flts was 7:54 hours. We were scheduled as follows yum to phx/phx to tex/tex to phx/phx to tex/tex to phx/phx to yum. Due to WX, our flts to tex were rescheduled to mtj even though it was possible to go to tex on both occasions. The extra time was not correctly accounted for by our dispatch operations, I believe, and our new scheduled time would have put us at about 8.30 hours of scheduled flight time which is not legal. The captain called dispatch when we had returned to phx from the second round trip from tex and told them we were timed out. We were told it was ok to fly to yum even though we had flown 8.2 hours already. We posed the question of the extra mileage/time it took us to go to montrose and dispatch said it was WX related. The captain and I believed that since we never attempted to land at tex and were scheduled for mtj that it was not WX related. We flew the flight from phx to yum under duress of losing job, which put us at 9.1 hours for the day's total flight time. Corrective actions: make it a penalty for any company to threaten job of such disputes.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FAR 135 FLT TIME PROB.

Narrative: TOTAL SCHEDULED HRS FOR THE DAYS FLTS WAS 7:54 HRS. WE WERE SCHEDULED AS FOLLOWS YUM TO PHX/PHX TO TEX/TEX TO PHX/PHX TO TEX/TEX TO PHX/PHX TO YUM. DUE TO WX, OUR FLTS TO TEX WERE RESCHEDULED TO MTJ EVEN THOUGH IT WAS POSSIBLE TO GO TO TEX ON BOTH OCCASIONS. THE EXTRA TIME WAS NOT CORRECTLY ACCOUNTED FOR BY OUR DISPATCH OPS, I BELIEVE, AND OUR NEW SCHEDULED TIME WOULD HAVE PUT US AT ABOUT 8.30 HRS OF SCHEDULED FLT TIME WHICH IS NOT LEGAL. THE CAPT CALLED DISPATCH WHEN WE HAD RETURNED TO PHX FROM THE SECOND ROUND TRIP FROM TEX AND TOLD THEM WE WERE TIMED OUT. WE WERE TOLD IT WAS OK TO FLY TO YUM EVEN THOUGH WE HAD FLOWN 8.2 HRS ALREADY. WE POSED THE QUESTION OF THE EXTRA MILEAGE/TIME IT TOOK US TO GO TO MONTROSE AND DISPATCH SAID IT WAS WX RELATED. THE CAPT AND I BELIEVED THAT SINCE WE NEVER ATTEMPTED TO LAND AT TEX AND WERE SCHEDULED FOR MTJ THAT IT WAS NOT WX RELATED. WE FLEW THE FLT FROM PHX TO YUM UNDER DURESS OF LOSING JOB, WHICH PUT US AT 9.1 HRS FOR THE DAY'S TOTAL FLT TIME. CORRECTIVE ACTIONS: MAKE IT A PENALTY FOR ANY COMPANY TO THREATEN JOB OF SUCH DISPUTES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.