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Attributes | |
ACN | 299425 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 2n9 |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 800 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 299425 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was practicing takeoff and landing with a student and doing repeated touch-and-goes at 2n9. My home airport is 2600 ft by 30 ft with several distrs, so I take my students here to learn takeoff and lndgs and I solo them out of here. It is a neighboring airport (only 2 mi to the southwest) and is very convenient. It is uncontrolled and county owned. On this particular day we turned right base only to find an airplane in our windscreen on final. I had not observed him in the pattern previously, nor heard any legs called in the pattern. It was not really an evasive move, but merely a 360 degree turn on right base to allow time for separation, with no danger to any other traffic. There seemed to be no problem, but a local CFI, apparently a few CFI's, called my home base to get my full name and call sign. My dispatcher gave it to him and when I returned she told me about the call, so I called them back. He and the others indicated that the maneuver was reckless and not proper. We obviously have a difference of opinion on airport traffic patterns. I have had other little occurrences with CFI's at this airport, but nothing more than different 'flying personalities.' he thinks I'm unsafe, but I also think that about their techniques. The difference is: I teach and fly 'tight patterns' and they seem to think it is easier to learn to land long, drawn-out patterns. Their idea of dangerous or reckless operation is obviously different from mine. They all continually allow their students to fly very long, drawn-out patterns, and I would say a majority of the time they are not within safe engine-out distance of the airport, therefore it causes problems with anyone who is flying close, safe patterns!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: UNCTLED ARPT TFC PATTERN INCIDENT RESULTING IN LTSS WITH OTHER ARRIVING ACFT.
Narrative: I WAS PRACTICING TKOF AND LNDG WITH A STUDENT AND DOING REPEATED TOUCH-AND-GOES AT 2N9. MY HOME ARPT IS 2600 FT BY 30 FT WITH SEVERAL DISTRS, SO I TAKE MY STUDENTS HERE TO LEARN TKOF AND LNDGS AND I SOLO THEM OUT OF HERE. IT IS A NEIGHBORING ARPT (ONLY 2 MI TO THE SW) AND IS VERY CONVENIENT. IT IS UNCTLED AND COUNTY OWNED. ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY WE TURNED R BASE ONLY TO FIND AN AIRPLANE IN OUR WINDSCREEN ON FINAL. I HAD NOT OBSERVED HIM IN THE PATTERN PREVIOUSLY, NOR HEARD ANY LEGS CALLED IN THE PATTERN. IT WAS NOT REALLY AN EVASIVE MOVE, BUT MERELY A 360 DEG TURN ON R BASE TO ALLOW TIME FOR SEPARATION, WITH NO DANGER TO ANY OTHER TFC. THERE SEEMED TO BE NO PROB, BUT A LCL CFI, APPARENTLY A FEW CFI'S, CALLED MY HOME BASE TO GET MY FULL NAME AND CALL SIGN. MY DISPATCHER GAVE IT TO HIM AND WHEN I RETURNED SHE TOLD ME ABOUT THE CALL, SO I CALLED THEM BACK. HE AND THE OTHERS INDICATED THAT THE MANEUVER WAS RECKLESS AND NOT PROPER. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON ARPT TFC PATTERNS. I HAVE HAD OTHER LITTLE OCCURRENCES WITH CFI'S AT THIS ARPT, BUT NOTHING MORE THAN DIFFERENT 'FLYING PERSONALITIES.' HE THINKS I'M UNSAFE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT ABOUT THEIR TECHNIQUES. THE DIFFERENCE IS: I TEACH AND FLY 'TIGHT PATTERNS' AND THEY SEEM TO THINK IT IS EASIER TO LEARN TO LAND LONG, DRAWN-OUT PATTERNS. THEIR IDEA OF DANGEROUS OR RECKLESS OP IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT FROM MINE. THEY ALL CONTINUALLY ALLOW THEIR STUDENTS TO FLY VERY LONG, DRAWN-OUT PATTERNS, AND I WOULD SAY A MAJORITY OF THE TIME THEY ARE NOT WITHIN SAFE ENG-OUT DISTANCE OF THE ARPT, THEREFORE IT CAUSES PROBS WITH ANYONE WHO IS FLYING CLOSE, SAFE PATTERNS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.