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Attributes | |
ACN | 299819 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6100 msl bound upper : 6100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 299819 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X being vectored for a visual approach to runway 25L. Level at 6100 ft MSL as cleared. At approximately 5-6 mi out on base for runway 25, received a GPWS alert 'terrain, terrain.' first officer was flying and executed a pull up. We then could see the terrain that was causing the problem -- a 5092 ft peak. At about 6500 ft, first officer leveled off. We were getting too high to make the approach. The GPWS was still screaming 'terrain, terrain,' approach was giving headings. Visual approach clearance, switchover to tower. We also had light-moderate chop. The GPWS finally quit and we made a steep (6500 ft 6 mi out!) approach to runway 25L. MVA was 6100 ft over that obstacle, which is steeply rising terrain. The MVA should be raised to 2000 ft above the obstacle. Unnecessary emergency pullups can hurt flight attendants and passenger. Also, las should quit giving 'high dives' to everyone. Every time I go in there I get a 'high dive.' why? Is this really necessary? The GPWS problem also occurs at san, lax, bur, mfr, slc, and asheville, nc to my knowledge. Minimum vectoring altitudes are not protecting the pilots.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X GPWS NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC. EVASIVE ACTION CLB.
Narrative: ACR X BEING VECTORED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25L. LEVEL AT 6100 FT MSL AS CLRED. AT APPROX 5-6 MI OUT ON BASE FOR RWY 25, RECEIVED A GPWS ALERT 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN.' FO WAS FLYING AND EXECUTED A PULL UP. WE THEN COULD SEE THE TERRAIN THAT WAS CAUSING THE PROB -- A 5092 FT PEAK. AT ABOUT 6500 FT, FO LEVELED OFF. WE WERE GETTING TOO HIGH TO MAKE THE APCH. THE GPWS WAS STILL SCREAMING 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN,' APCH WAS GIVING HDGS. VISUAL APCH CLRNC, SWITCHOVER TO TWR. WE ALSO HAD LIGHT-MODERATE CHOP. THE GPWS FINALLY QUIT AND WE MADE A STEEP (6500 FT 6 MI OUT!) APCH TO RWY 25L. MVA WAS 6100 FT OVER THAT OBSTACLE, WHICH IS STEEPLY RISING TERRAIN. THE MVA SHOULD BE RAISED TO 2000 FT ABOVE THE OBSTACLE. UNNECESSARY EMER PULLUPS CAN HURT FLT ATTENDANTS AND PAX. ALSO, LAS SHOULD QUIT GIVING 'HIGH DIVES' TO EVERYONE. EVERY TIME I GO IN THERE I GET A 'HIGH DIVE.' WHY? IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY? THE GPWS PROB ALSO OCCURS AT SAN, LAX, BUR, MFR, SLC, AND ASHEVILLE, NC TO MY KNOWLEDGE. MINIMUM VECTORING ALTS ARE NOT PROTECTING THE PLTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.