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A flight crew's transmission regarding an inability to hold short of an intersecting runway was not acknowledged by ATC. Air carrier landed, and stopped abruptly to hold short.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 299829 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199503 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 299829 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On night landing at ord runway 27L we were instructed to contact tower at willt OM. On contact frequency 120.75 tower cleared us to land, hold short for landing traffic. Due to conditions and weight I stated cleared to land but we needed the whole length. With no tower reply I assumed they accepted our intentions to use full length and landing was flown accordingly. On short final we heard tower tell another aircraft that traffic on runway 27L would land and hold short. With no time to confirm what our instructions were, we decided to take the hold short and made an unnecessarily abrupt stop to assure we did not roll out too far. Due to the communications mix-up we did not roger hold short as per company regulations and did not brief required items of a land and hold short.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLC'S XMISSION REGARDING AN INABILITY TO HOLD SHORT OF AN INTERSECTING RWY WAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED BY ATC. ACR LANDED, AND STOPPED ABRUPTLY TO HOLD SHORT.
Narrative: ON NIGHT LNDG AT ORD RWY 27L WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT TWR AT WILLT OM. ON CONTACT FREQ 120.75 TWR CLRED US TO LAND, HOLD SHORT FOR LNDG TFC. DUE TO CONDITIONS AND WT I STATED CLRED TO LAND BUT WE NEEDED THE WHOLE LENGTH. WITH NO TWR REPLY I ASSUMED THEY ACCEPTED OUR INTENTIONS TO USE FULL LENGTH AND LNDG WAS FLOWN ACCORDINGLY. ON SHORT FINAL WE HEARD TWR TELL ANOTHER ACFT THAT TFC ON RWY 27L WOULD LAND AND HOLD SHORT. WITH NO TIME TO CONFIRM WHAT OUR INSTRUCTIONS WERE, WE DECIDED TO TAKE THE HOLD SHORT AND MADE AN UNNECESSARILY ABRUPT STOP TO ASSURE WE DID NOT ROLL OUT TOO FAR. DUE TO THE COMS MIX-UP WE DID NOT ROGER HOLD SHORT AS PER COMPANY REGS AND DID NOT BRIEF REQUIRED ITEMS OF A LAND AND HOLD SHORT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.