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Attributes | |
ACN | 301369 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cwa |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp tower : zzz |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SA-227 AC Metro III |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 301369 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
ZMP told us 'proceed direct danci LOM to intercept auw 17 arc, maintain 4000 ft. We were inbound on auw R-130. The ILS is to runway 8. We intercepted 17 arc at auw R-130 and arc right. Center asked us if we were arcing north or south. We said north because arcing right is in the north heading. Center told us to report crossing auw R-020. I told captain that center thinks we are in the northeast quad. We will never cross auw R-020! In the meantime, ZMP launched an IFR flight off of cwa runway 17 towards us. Arcing north or south is a non standard phraseology. ATC is supposed to ask arcing clockwise or counter-clockwise, not north or south and why would we even be up in the northeast quad if we arrived on R-130 going toward ILS 8 cwa?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC MISINTERPRETS THE QUESTION OF ARTCC.
Narrative: ZMP TOLD US 'PROCEED DIRECT DANCI LOM TO INTERCEPT AUW 17 ARC, MAINTAIN 4000 FT. WE WERE INBOUND ON AUW R-130. THE ILS IS TO RWY 8. WE INTERCEPTED 17 ARC AT AUW R-130 AND ARC R. CTR ASKED US IF WE WERE ARCING N OR S. WE SAID N BECAUSE ARCING R IS IN THE N HDG. CTR TOLD US TO RPT XING AUW R-020. I TOLD CAPT THAT CTR THINKS WE ARE IN THE NE QUAD. WE WILL NEVER CROSS AUW R-020! IN THE MEANTIME, ZMP LAUNCHED AN IFR FLT OFF OF CWA RWY 17 TOWARDS US. ARCING N OR S IS A NON STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY. ATC IS SUPPOSED TO ASK ARCING CLOCKWISE OR COUNTER-CLOCKWISE, NOT N OR S AND WHY WOULD WE EVEN BE UP IN THE NE QUAD IF WE ARRIVED ON R-130 GOING TOWARD ILS 8 CWA?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.