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Attributes | |
ACN | 301426 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cgx |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord tower : cgx tracon : buf |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : svfr |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 301426 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Basic problem - unfamiliar with operations of GNS long range navigation. The navigation sensors include DME/DME, VLF, and GPS. The aircraft is rather new for us, 4 months. We often experience the warning 'sensors miscompare,' which usually means that the VLF has drifted off course. So I don't get too concerned with this type of warning. Meigs airport is a tower controled airport without an IFR approach. At 20 mi out the WX was 1500 ft 5 mi, and by the time that we arrived it had dropped to 2 mi, then to 3/4 mi. We never saw the airport during our special VFR approach (we had canceled our IFR earlier with approach). We asked tower to coordinate an IFR to midway while we climbed to 2000 ft MSL on 090 degree heading (normal procedure out of cgx). Approach found us on a radar 12 mi north of cgx. The GNS's (2 of them) showed 4 mi north. The rest of the flight was uneventful. What had happened was that during our low maneuvering in precipitation there wasn't enough DME information to supply the GNS, so the DME/DME sensors dropped off-line leaving the VLF and the GPS. Well we all know how the VLF system will wander, it did and the GNS split the difference between the VLF and the GPS. The warning messages all came up, but because of habit and low in-flight visibility I wasn't aware of the status of the GNS. We now know to disable the VLF's should we find ourselves with insufficient DME information and a 'sensor miscompare' warning. Not to mention getting lured into the VFR into IFR scenario! I hope that this information can be translated into a format that may be of some use to someone.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING A SPECIAL VFR CLRNC TO A NON INST APCH EQUIPPED ARPT, FLC OF AN LTT CPR JET BECAME DISORIENTED DUE TO LACK OF KNOWLEDGE IN OPERATING THE ACFT NAVIGATIONAL EQUIP.
Narrative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
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.