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Attributes | |
ACN | 302070 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mco |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SA-227 AC Metro III |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 302070 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X holding short, as B-757 rotated. X was told 'company on 2 1/2 mi final, position and hold.' we refused. Controller indignantly asked why. I told him that I didn't want to waive wake turbulence and was concerned about timing with company on 2 1/2 mi final. Controller said (again indignantly) 'let me worry about that.' the time between B-757 rotation and our company crossing threshold was less than 1 min (I timed it). Had we gone into position, we would have had to waive wake turbulence or caused company to go around over us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X REFUSED CLRNC DUE TO LACK OF WAKE TURB SEPARATION BEHIND B-757.
Narrative: ACR X HOLDING SHORT, AS B-757 ROTATED. X WAS TOLD 'COMPANY ON 2 1/2 MI FINAL, POS AND HOLD.' WE REFUSED. CTLR INDIGNANTLY ASKED WHY. I TOLD HIM THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIVE WAKE TURB AND WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TIMING WITH COMPANY ON 2 1/2 MI FINAL. CTLR SAID (AGAIN INDIGNANTLY) 'LET ME WORRY ABOUT THAT.' THE TIME BTWN B-757 ROTATION AND OUR COMPANY XING THRESHOLD WAS LESS THAN 1 MIN (I TIMED IT). HAD WE GONE INTO POS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO WAIVE WAKE TURB OR CAUSED COMPANY TO GAR OVER US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.