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Attributes | |
ACN | 304988 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jli |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28600 msl bound upper : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 304988 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 21000 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were descending to FL290 and our traffic was at FL280. I was in the right seat when traffic was pointed out at our 3 O'clock position. I immediately gained visual contact and saw the traffic would pass well clear behind. I resumed my xchk inside (I was flying) when we got a TA advising us to 'reduce descent.' approximately 10 seconds later, we got an RA advising us to 'descend, descend,' so I immediately looked back outside to verify traffic, but he was behind heavier cirrus now. Since we didn't have visual on the traffic, we were obliged to keep descending per TCASII. All of this was happening very rapidly. We descended to FL286 until the RA went away then climbed back up to FL290. We noticed on TCASII that traffic came no closer than 3 1/2 mi. Side notes: TCASII needed 2 tries to pass bite test during our preflight. On second leg, both radar altimeters were temporarily lost, GPWS was lost, and TCASII was inoperative -- all for approximately 5 mins. Due to this fact and conflicting information TCASII gave us on descent into san, TCASII was disabled and flight was continued per the MEL. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the aircraft was a B-737-300 and had the initial TCASII RA logic problem going into san. The aircraft later had a problem with the GPWS and 2 radio altimeters going from san to sfo. There, the aircraft's TCASII was MEL'ed and a revised dispatch release obtained. The aircraft was flown to phx where maintenance looked at the aircraft. Reporter is not aware of maintenance findings at phx. He stated that the first 'self test' was performed erroneously. The IRS units had not gotten up to speed as yet so the first test failed. The second test failed later, with no 'messages' being displayed. The third self test was successful. He further stated that the air carrier was 'staying on top of the problem' during these flts.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT SEPARATION REDUCED DURING FALSE LOGIC RA BY TCASII IN DSNDING XING TFC SIT.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING TO FL290 AND OUR TFC WAS AT FL280. I WAS IN THE R SEAT WHEN TFC WAS POINTED OUT AT OUR 3 O'CLOCK POS. I IMMEDIATELY GAINED VISUAL CONTACT AND SAW THE TFC WOULD PASS WELL CLR BEHIND. I RESUMED MY XCHK INSIDE (I WAS FLYING) WHEN WE GOT A TA ADVISING US TO 'REDUCE DSCNT.' APPROX 10 SECONDS LATER, WE GOT AN RA ADVISING US TO 'DSND, DSND,' SO I IMMEDIATELY LOOKED BACK OUTSIDE TO VERIFY TFC, BUT HE WAS BEHIND HEAVIER CIRRUS NOW. SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE VISUAL ON THE TFC, WE WERE OBLIGED TO KEEP DSNDING PER TCASII. ALL OF THIS WAS HAPPENING VERY RAPIDLY. WE DSNDED TO FL286 UNTIL THE RA WENT AWAY THEN CLBED BACK UP TO FL290. WE NOTICED ON TCASII THAT TFC CAME NO CLOSER THAN 3 1/2 MI. SIDE NOTES: TCASII NEEDED 2 TRIES TO PASS BITE TEST DURING OUR PREFLT. ON SECOND LEG, BOTH RADAR ALTIMETERS WERE TEMPORARILY LOST, GPWS WAS LOST, AND TCASII WAS INOP -- ALL FOR APPROX 5 MINS. DUE TO THIS FACT AND CONFLICTING INFO TCASII GAVE US ON DSCNT INTO SAN, TCASII WAS DISABLED AND FLT WAS CONTINUED PER THE MEL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE ACFT WAS A B-737-300 AND HAD THE INITIAL TCASII RA LOGIC PROB GOING INTO SAN. THE ACFT LATER HAD A PROB WITH THE GPWS AND 2 RADIO ALTIMETERS GOING FROM SAN TO SFO. THERE, THE ACFT'S TCASII WAS MEL'ED AND A REVISED DISPATCH RELEASE OBTAINED. THE ACFT WAS FLOWN TO PHX WHERE MAINT LOOKED AT THE ACFT. RPTR IS NOT AWARE OF MAINT FINDINGS AT PHX. HE STATED THAT THE FIRST 'SELF TEST' WAS PERFORMED ERRONEOUSLY. THE IRS UNITS HAD NOT GOTTEN UP TO SPD AS YET SO THE FIRST TEST FAILED. THE SECOND TEST FAILED LATER, WITH NO 'MESSAGES' BEING DISPLAYED. THE THIRD SELF TEST WAS SUCCESSFUL. HE FURTHER STATED THAT THE ACR WAS 'STAYING ON TOP OF THE PROB' DURING THESE FLTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.