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Attributes | |
ACN | 306003 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl tower : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-11 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 15400 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 306003 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Clearance from atl approach was received to descend from 6000 ft to 4000 ft while on radar vector to runway 27L at atl. At approximately 5500 ft TCASII alert 'traffic, 'traffic' followed by 'reduce descent, reduce descent,' followed by 'climb, climb.' we followed RA's. We initially descended to about 5300 ft then climbed back to approximately 5500 ft at which time traffic was observed (a civil jet) at about 6000 ft moving right to left. Approach questioned our climb and we advised we were following our TCASII RA. We had just passed over stone mountain airport when the alert occurred. We never saw any lower traffic. No near miss occurred, no drastic evasive action became necessary. Approach was very busy and to follow the RA there was no time to advise approach. Controller had no further comments, no other abnormalities occurred, uneventful approach was completed. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter was flying an md-11 from frankfurt to atl when the event occurred. None of the cockpit occupants saw the initial intruder, but all of them saw the aircraft at 6000 ft. He describes the second aircraft as a cpr jet with rear mounted engines. Based on returns and data from the TCASII the reporter estimates that the first target came past at 800 ft vertical and 1/2 mi horizontal. The second target came past at 500 ft vertical and 1 mi horizontal. The first aircraft that started the whole process is suspected of being a pop-up from the airport at stone mountain, GA. The reporter has had another recent TCASII event in the same area (report on the way).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION. THE FLC GOT A TCASII RA WHILE IN A DSCNT AND DURING THE MANEUVER THEY CLBED NEAR TO OTHER 'IN-SIGHT' TFC BEFORE RETURNING TO THEIR CLRNC ALT.
Narrative: CLRNC FROM ATL APCH WAS RECEIVED TO DSND FROM 6000 FT TO 4000 FT WHILE ON RADAR VECTOR TO RWY 27L AT ATL. AT APPROX 5500 FT TCASII ALERT 'TFC, 'TFC' FOLLOWED BY 'REDUCE DSCNT, REDUCE DSCNT,' FOLLOWED BY 'CLB, CLB.' WE FOLLOWED RA'S. WE INITIALLY DSNDED TO ABOUT 5300 FT THEN CLBED BACK TO APPROX 5500 FT AT WHICH TIME TFC WAS OBSERVED (A CIVIL JET) AT ABOUT 6000 FT MOVING R TO L. APCH QUESTIONED OUR CLB AND WE ADVISED WE WERE FOLLOWING OUR TCASII RA. WE HAD JUST PASSED OVER STONE MOUNTAIN ARPT WHEN THE ALERT OCCURRED. WE NEVER SAW ANY LOWER TFC. NO NEAR MISS OCCURRED, NO DRASTIC EVASIVE ACTION BECAME NECESSARY. APCH WAS VERY BUSY AND TO FOLLOW THE RA THERE WAS NO TIME TO ADVISE APCH. CTLR HAD NO FURTHER COMMENTS, NO OTHER ABNORMALITIES OCCURRED, UNEVENTFUL APCH WAS COMPLETED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR WAS FLYING AN MD-11 FROM FRANKFURT TO ATL WHEN THE EVENT OCCURRED. NONE OF THE COCKPIT OCCUPANTS SAW THE INITIAL INTRUDER, BUT ALL OF THEM SAW THE ACFT AT 6000 FT. HE DESCRIBES THE SECOND ACFT AS A CPR JET WITH REAR MOUNTED ENGS. BASED ON RETURNS AND DATA FROM THE TCASII THE RPTR ESTIMATES THAT THE FIRST TARGET CAME PAST AT 800 FT VERT AND 1/2 MI HORIZ. THE SECOND TARGET CAME PAST AT 500 FT VERT AND 1 MI HORIZ. THE FIRST ACFT THAT STARTED THE WHOLE PROCESS IS SUSPECTED OF BEING A POP-UP FROM THE ARPT AT STONE MOUNTAIN, GA. THE RPTR HAS HAD ANOTHER RECENT TCASII EVENT IN THE SAME AREA (RPT ON THE WAY).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.