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Attributes | |
ACN | 307160 |
Time | |
Date | 199506 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : olm |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 11700 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 307160 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on 1ST leg of the day. A short flight from pdx to sea. The captain was new -- less than 100 hours as captain and on aircraft. FAA was in jumpseat. I was 'PF.' I have been on the aircraft for about 5 months in a period of 18 months with other time spent flying a non-automated aircraft. We were both busy with duties, when we were given a clearance to descend to 11000 ft (cross fourt at 11000 ft). I performed the descent and then selected 340 degree heading at fourt per the STAR. The FAA inspector said something to me about needing 250 KTS. I didn't understand why but started to slow (from about 275 KTS). During this time the captain was out of the loop doing something with the computer -- I didn't know what. Once at the gate the inspector asked if fourt had a 250 KT restr -- it does, but I missed it. I was relying on the ATC clearance, which did not mention a speed. Contributing factors: I'm not used to sea sids/stars which use this restr and captain out of loop, so the STAR was not briefed. The captain had seen a NOTAM changing the ILS runway 16R course from 158 degrees to 161 degrees but our database said 158 degrees. He was trying to modify the course -- which is not possible. It doesn't matter anyway, since we flew the localizer signal, not RNAV. The FAA inspector seemed confused on this point as well.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LGT FAILS TO COMPLY WITH SPD RESTR ON DSCNT USING STAR.
Narrative: WE WERE ON 1ST LEG OF THE DAY. A SHORT FLT FROM PDX TO SEA. THE CAPT WAS NEW -- LESS THAN 100 HRS AS CAPT AND ON ACFT. FAA WAS IN JUMPSEAT. I WAS 'PF.' I HAVE BEEN ON THE ACFT FOR ABOUT 5 MONTHS IN A PERIOD OF 18 MONTHS WITH OTHER TIME SPENT FLYING A NON-AUTOMATED ACFT. WE WERE BOTH BUSY WITH DUTIES, WHEN WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO DSND TO 11000 FT (CROSS FOURT AT 11000 FT). I PERFORMED THE DSCNT AND THEN SELECTED 340 DEG HDG AT FOURT PER THE STAR. THE FAA INSPECTOR SAID SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT NEEDING 250 KTS. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY BUT STARTED TO SLOW (FROM ABOUT 275 KTS). DURING THIS TIME THE CAPT WAS OUT OF THE LOOP DOING SOMETHING WITH THE COMPUTER -- I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT. ONCE AT THE GATE THE INSPECTOR ASKED IF FOURT HAD A 250 KT RESTR -- IT DOES, BUT I MISSED IT. I WAS RELYING ON THE ATC CLRNC, WHICH DID NOT MENTION A SPD. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: I'M NOT USED TO SEA SIDS/STARS WHICH USE THIS RESTR AND CAPT OUT OF LOOP, SO THE STAR WAS NOT BRIEFED. THE CAPT HAD SEEN A NOTAM CHANGING THE ILS RWY 16R COURSE FROM 158 DEGS TO 161 DEGS BUT OUR DATABASE SAID 158 DEGS. HE WAS TRYING TO MODIFY THE COURSE -- WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY, SINCE WE FLEW THE LOC SIGNAL, NOT RNAV. THE FAA INSPECTOR SEEMED CONFUSED ON THIS POINT AS WELL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.