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Attributes | |
ACN | 307940 |
Time | |
Date | 199506 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mco |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 307940 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I let the aircraft roll forward before being saluted by push crew. The aircraft moved a few inches and as I understand it my nose tire touched the tire of the tow bar. I did note this and reset the brakes. I'll say for the push crew, they always salute and they are very good about one seeing the salute and waiting for a return. For my part I have been concerned about my typical push at this location. After resetting the brakes to remove bar they quickly respond that job is complete, ie, steering pin replaced. They unplug and stay out of sight under the ship for what seems forever to me. I've been keeping myself aware of this for caution's sake. This time though there was a ship pushed possibly blocking me. There were the checklists, the debate about the other ship and I decided I could get around it. There was a call for taxi and then the happenstance. I've been through the same location one more time, different crew, different time of day, and only 15 second flying unplug to salute. I see that I need to make this part of my operation a really big deal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN LGT ROLLED FORWARD INTO TOW BAR AFTER PUSH BACK PRIOR TO COMPANY GND PERSONNEL SIGNAL FOR RELEASE OF ACFT CTL.
Narrative: I LET THE ACFT ROLL FORWARD BEFORE BEING SALUTED BY PUSH CREW. THE ACFT MOVED A FEW INCHES AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT MY NOSE TIRE TOUCHED THE TIRE OF THE TOW BAR. I DID NOTE THIS AND RESET THE BRAKES. I'LL SAY FOR THE PUSH CREW, THEY ALWAYS SALUTE AND THEY ARE VERY GOOD ABOUT ONE SEEING THE SALUTE AND WAITING FOR A RETURN. FOR MY PART I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT MY TYPICAL PUSH AT THIS LOCATION. AFTER RESETTING THE BRAKES TO REMOVE BAR THEY QUICKLY RESPOND THAT JOB IS COMPLETE, IE, STEERING PIN REPLACED. THEY UNPLUG AND STAY OUT OF SIGHT UNDER THE SHIP FOR WHAT SEEMS FOREVER TO ME. I'VE BEEN KEEPING MYSELF AWARE OF THIS FOR CAUTION'S SAKE. THIS TIME THOUGH THERE WAS A SHIP PUSHED POSSIBLY BLOCKING ME. THERE WERE THE CHKLISTS, THE DEBATE ABOUT THE OTHER SHIP AND I DECIDED I COULD GET AROUND IT. THERE WAS A CALL FOR TAXI AND THEN THE HAPPENSTANCE. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE SAME LOCATION ONE MORE TIME, DIFFERENT CREW, DIFFERENT TIME OF DAY, AND ONLY 15 SECOND FLYING UNPLUG TO SALUTE. I SEE THAT I NEED TO MAKE THIS PART OF MY OP A REALLY BIG DEAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.