Air carrier X illegal approach clearance radar vector turn on at final approach fix.

Attributes
ACN	309777
Time
Date	199507
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 5500 msl bound upper : 5500
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6700 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	309777
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Air carrier X on downwind north of lax -- vectors for ILS runway 24R approach. When just north of romen LOM approach turned us to a 160 degree heading. I asked the controller if we could extend further east, as it was obvious we would be too tight to the LOM at our altitude -- approximately 5500 ft MSL descending. He said he would have to take us 15 NM further out before he would have another hole to fit us into. We accepted the heading and I asked him if he was going to insure we would intercept the GS from below. He said no. I then said it was a requirement in his handbook and got no response. He then proceeded to turn us on to the approach inside the OM, again, contrary to his handbook. We intercepted the GS from above and continued the approach. We broke out approximately 100 ft above decision ht. My main concern is our being penalized by having to fly an additional 15 plus mi or accept a potentially unsafe approach clearance because the controller does not adhere to his handbook requirements.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR X ILLEGAL APCH CLRNC RADAR VECTOR TURN ON AT FINAL APCH FIX.

Narrative: ACR X ON DOWNWIND N OF LAX -- VECTORS FOR ILS RWY 24R APCH. WHEN JUST N OF ROMEN LOM APCH TURNED US TO A 160 DEG HDG. I ASKED THE CTLR IF WE COULD EXTEND FURTHER E, AS IT WAS OBVIOUS WE WOULD BE TOO TIGHT TO THE LOM AT OUR ALT -- APPROX 5500 FT MSL DSNDING. HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE US 15 NM FURTHER OUT BEFORE HE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER HOLE TO FIT US INTO. WE ACCEPTED THE HDG AND I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS GOING TO INSURE WE WOULD INTERCEPT THE GS FROM BELOW. HE SAID NO. I THEN SAID IT WAS A REQUIREMENT IN HIS HANDBOOK AND GOT NO RESPONSE. HE THEN PROCEEDED TO TURN US ON TO THE APCH INSIDE THE OM, AGAIN, CONTRARY TO HIS HANDBOOK. WE INTERCEPTED THE GS FROM ABOVE AND CONTINUED THE APCH. WE BROKE OUT APPROX 100 FT ABOVE DECISION HT. MY MAIN CONCERN IS OUR BEING PENALIZED BY HAVING TO FLY AN ADDITIONAL 15 PLUS MI OR ACCEPT A POTENTIALLY UNSAFE APCH CLRNC BECAUSE THE CTLR DOES NOT ADHERE TO HIS HANDBOOK REQUIREMENTS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.