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Attributes | |
ACN | 310312 |
Time | |
Date | 199507 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mod |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zoa |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 310312 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 240 |
ASRS Report | 310000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
En route to sfo we had programmed the computer for modesto 2 arrival to cross cedes at 250 KTS and 11000 ft. When adding the FMS runway 28R approach while still at cruising altitude just prior to our computed descent point, the cedes restr dropped out without our noticing it (we were preoccupied with other duties and the VNAV path showed right on). I suddenly noticed the computer glitch and commenced a full drag descent. About this time center asked us if we could still make the cedes restr. We said yes but we might be a little fast. When it became apparent to us that we could not make the restr we tried to advise center but got no acknowledgement. We crossed cedes around 12000 ft at 300 KTS. I know one should always back up the FMS but there are times when one becomes very busy in a 2 pilot cockpit and one relies on the computer. This time it bit us. Supplemental information from acn 310000: when ATC again specified cedes at 11000 ft and 250 KTS we were descending in VNAV and the captain was making the PA. I relayed the restr again but was focused erroneously on the fact that it was after the hour and no current ATIS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC DID NOT MEET ALT XING AND SPD RESTR DUE TO MIS- PROGRAM OF FMS.
Narrative: ENRTE TO SFO WE HAD PROGRAMMED THE COMPUTER FOR MODESTO 2 ARR TO CROSS CEDES AT 250 KTS AND 11000 FT. WHEN ADDING THE FMS RWY 28R APCH WHILE STILL AT CRUISING ALT JUST PRIOR TO OUR COMPUTED DSCNT POINT, THE CEDES RESTR DROPPED OUT WITHOUT OUR NOTICING IT (WE WERE PREOCCUPIED WITH OTHER DUTIES AND THE VNAV PATH SHOWED RIGHT ON). I SUDDENLY NOTICED THE COMPUTER GLITCH AND COMMENCED A FULL DRAG DSCNT. ABOUT THIS TIME CTR ASKED US IF WE COULD STILL MAKE THE CEDES RESTR. WE SAID YES BUT WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE FAST. WHEN IT BECAME APPARENT TO US THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE THE RESTR WE TRIED TO ADVISE CTR BUT GOT NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. WE CROSSED CEDES AROUND 12000 FT AT 300 KTS. I KNOW ONE SHOULD ALWAYS BACK UP THE FMS BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN ONE BECOMES VERY BUSY IN A 2 PLT COCKPIT AND ONE RELIES ON THE COMPUTER. THIS TIME IT BIT US. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 310000: WHEN ATC AGAIN SPECIFIED CEDES AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS WE WERE DSNDING IN VNAV AND THE CAPT WAS MAKING THE PA. I RELAYED THE RESTR AGAIN BUT WAS FOCUSED ERRONEOUSLY ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS AFTER THE HR AND NO CURRENT ATIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.