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Air carrier deviating WX given vector later on handoff told he was in restr area that was hot.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 314380 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199508 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : iaw |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : abq artcc : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 314380 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 4000 |
| ASRS Report | 314010 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
En route from lax to phx, observed a line of WX (thunderstorms) along the arlin arrival. ATC (ZLA) advised us of that line of WX in addition to our radar observation, and issued a south heading for avoidance, stating to us 'when you clear that line of WX, you'll have a clear shot toward phx. Everyone else has been taking the same deviation and had a good ride.' ATC issued us a vector, a heading of 120 degrees to my recollection. When we were handed off to ZAB, the controller asked us if we knew we were in a restr airspace. We responded in the negative and to his further inquiry we explained that we were on an ATC assigned heading for WX avoidance. The controller again stated that we were in a restr airspace to which we responded that we were vectored by ATC. The controller issued us a left turn heading which we could not comply with due to a thunderstorm on our left and so advised him. He then asked us if we were declaring an emergency. Before we had a chance to evaluate our situation with ATC and come up with an answer, the controller assigned us a code 7700 for the transponder and gave us a telephone number to call ZAB. After arrival at phx I called center and talked to supervisor who explained to me that we were 'railroaded by ZLA' to use his words. He stated to me that ZLA coordinated with yuma our entry into the first restr airspace, but forgot to do the same with luke AFB for the second one. He stated again that it was ZLA's fault and no pilot deviation has occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR DEVIATING WX GIVEN VECTOR LATER ON HDOF TOLD HE WAS IN RESTR AREA THAT WAS HOT.
Narrative: ENRTE FROM LAX TO PHX, OBSERVED A LINE OF WX (TSTMS) ALONG THE ARLIN ARR. ATC (ZLA) ADVISED US OF THAT LINE OF WX IN ADDITION TO OUR RADAR OBSERVATION, AND ISSUED A S HDG FOR AVOIDANCE, STATING TO US 'WHEN YOU CLR THAT LINE OF WX, YOU'LL HAVE A CLR SHOT TOWARD PHX. EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN TAKING THE SAME DEV AND HAD A GOOD RIDE.' ATC ISSUED US A VECTOR, A HDG OF 120 DEGS TO MY RECOLLECTION. WHEN WE WERE HANDED OFF TO ZAB, THE CTLR ASKED US IF WE KNEW WE WERE IN A RESTR AIRSPACE. WE RESPONDED IN THE NEGATIVE AND TO HIS FURTHER INQUIRY WE EXPLAINED THAT WE WERE ON AN ATC ASSIGNED HDG FOR WX AVOIDANCE. THE CTLR AGAIN STATED THAT WE WERE IN A RESTR AIRSPACE TO WHICH WE RESPONDED THAT WE WERE VECTORED BY ATC. THE CTLR ISSUED US A L TURN HDG WHICH WE COULD NOT COMPLY WITH DUE TO A TSTM ON OUR L AND SO ADVISED HIM. HE THEN ASKED US IF WE WERE DECLARING AN EMER. BEFORE WE HAD A CHANCE TO EVALUATE OUR SIT WITH ATC AND COME UP WITH AN ANSWER, THE CTLR ASSIGNED US A CODE 7700 FOR THE XPONDER AND GAVE US A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO CALL ZAB. AFTER ARR AT PHX I CALLED CTR AND TALKED TO SUPVR WHO EXPLAINED TO ME THAT WE WERE 'RAILROADED BY ZLA' TO USE HIS WORDS. HE STATED TO ME THAT ZLA COORDINATED WITH YUMA OUR ENTRY INTO THE FIRST RESTR AIRSPACE, BUT FORGOT TO DO THE SAME WITH LUKE AFB FOR THE SECOND ONE. HE STATED AGAIN THAT IT WAS ZLA'S FAULT AND NO PLTDEV HAS OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.