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Attributes | |
ACN | 314563 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yeg |
State Reference | AB |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : yeg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 350 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 314563 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Descending through 8500 ft MSL center/approach asked for airspeed which was 330 KTS. Asked us to slow to 230 KTS and turn right to 040 degrees (about 50 degree right turn) that we were following traffic to our 1 O'clock. We reported seeing the traffic and the airport. He was on straight-in, company B757 descending out of 7000 ft. We were stopped at 8000 ft. He crossed in front below and we were cleared to follow him on visual. Both landed no problem. Problem came from my interpretation of canadian airspeed laws. En route from last stop I reviewed our en route reference pages and confused the departure laws allowing faster than 250 KTS below 10000 ft MSL with the arrival speed limits of not more than 250 KTS below 10000 ft. I keyed on not more than 200 KTS below 3000 ft AGL or within 10 NM of the airport. Passing 10000 ft on descent my first officer questioned the airspeed and I confidently mentioned what I had unknowingly misinterpreted. No other conversation with center-approach but there was enough question in my mind to review the en route reference the next morning and discovered my mistake. Contributing factors were the last 15 mins of a 12 hour, 4 leg on duty day finishing at XA30 am body time. My first officer did what he was supposed to do -- talk about anything that didn't look right to him. I did start thinking about it again when he brought it to my attention and was processing it when center-approach came into the picture. I can help avoid a similar situation again by being more verbal, conversive earlier in the flight. If I would have discussed it with my first officer during cruise, I would have probably made the right decision before descending through 10000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC EXCEEDS 250 KT ARR SPD RESTR BELOW 10000 FT IN CANADIAN AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DSNDING THROUGH 8500 FT MSL CTR/APCH ASKED FOR AIRSPD WHICH WAS 330 KTS. ASKED US TO SLOW TO 230 KTS AND TURN R TO 040 DEGS (ABOUT 50 DEG R TURN) THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING TFC TO OUR 1 O'CLOCK. WE RPTED SEEING THE TFC AND THE ARPT. HE WAS ON STRAIGHT-IN, COMPANY B757 DSNDING OUT OF 7000 FT. WE WERE STOPPED AT 8000 FT. HE CROSSED IN FRONT BELOW AND WE WERE CLRED TO FOLLOW HIM ON VISUAL. BOTH LANDED NO PROB. PROB CAME FROM MY INTERP OF CANADIAN AIRSPD LAWS. ENRTE FROM LAST STOP I REVIEWED OUR ENRTE REF PAGES AND CONFUSED THE DEP LAWS ALLOWING FASTER THAN 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT MSL WITH THE ARR SPD LIMITS OF NOT MORE THAN 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT. I KEYED ON NOT MORE THAN 200 KTS BELOW 3000 FT AGL OR WITHIN 10 NM OF THE ARPT. PASSING 10000 FT ON DSCNT MY FO QUESTIONED THE AIRSPD AND I CONFIDENTLY MENTIONED WHAT I HAD UNKNOWINGLY MISINTERPRETED. NO OTHER CONVERSATION WITH CTR-APCH BUT THERE WAS ENOUGH QUESTION IN MY MIND TO REVIEW THE ENRTE REF THE NEXT MORNING AND DISCOVERED MY MISTAKE. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE THE LAST 15 MINS OF A 12 HR, 4 LEG ON DUTY DAY FINISHING AT XA30 AM BODY TIME. MY FO DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO -- TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT TO HIM. I DID START THINKING ABOUT IT AGAIN WHEN HE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTN AND WAS PROCESSING IT WHEN CTR-APCH CAME INTO THE PICTURE. I CAN HELP AVOID A SIMILAR SIT AGAIN BY BEING MORE VERBAL, CONVERSIVE EARLIER IN THE FLT. IF I WOULD HAVE DISCUSSED IT WITH MY FO DURING CRUISE, I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION BEFORE DSNDING THROUGH 10000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.