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Airport problem ramp -- air carrier crew reports that den does not control commuter aircraft activity on 'C' ramp while they do control larger aircraft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 316447 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199509 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : den |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 325 flight time total : 8800 flight time type : 3225 |
| ASRS Report | 316447 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On taxi out of 'C' ramp den going to spot 6E we were told to follow an air carrier 737 keep it tight. Before I could catch up to the 737 a commuter beech aircraft cut in front of us. I did not know what he was doing, so I slowed down and let him in. The copilot called the ramp tower, they said this happens often and that is why he wanted me to keep it tight. He also said that these aircraft are not controled on the ramp. I feel this is a potentially dangerous situation when some aircraft are controled and others are allowed to play 'chicken' on the ramp. If I would have been going as fast as the ramp controller wanted me to catch up, I would have had to stand on the brakes to miss him. I feel that the captain operated his/her aircraft in an unnecessary manner. I also feel that if some aircraft on the ramp are controled then all should be. 'One level of safety for all.' if not then we should be informed that there are uncontrolled aircraft on the ramp. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter was flying a B727-200 during this event. He said that he was not taxiing very fast when the beech 1900 cut in front of his aircraft, but he still had to brake to avoid him. Later the beech 1900 left the lineup to use another runway. As it turned out, he said, the commuter did not even have to get in the line. The reporter has been back to den several times since this event without encountering any further problems, however, some of the other company pilots have mentioned that they have had similar occurrences.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARPT PROB RAMP -- ACR CREW RPTS THAT DEN DOES NOT CTL COMMUTER ACFT ACTIVITY ON 'C' RAMP WHILE THEY DO CTL LARGER ACFT.
Narrative: ON TAXI OUT OF 'C' RAMP DEN GOING TO SPOT 6E WE WERE TOLD TO FOLLOW AN ACR 737 KEEP IT TIGHT. BEFORE I COULD CATCH UP TO THE 737 A COMMUTER BEECH ACFT CUT IN FRONT OF US. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING, SO I SLOWED DOWN AND LET HIM IN. THE COPLT CALLED THE RAMP TWR, THEY SAID THIS HAPPENS OFTEN AND THAT IS WHY HE WANTED ME TO KEEP IT TIGHT. HE ALSO SAID THAT THESE ACFT ARE NOT CTLED ON THE RAMP. I FEEL THIS IS A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SIT WHEN SOME ACFT ARE CTLED AND OTHERS ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY 'CHICKEN' ON THE RAMP. IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN GOING AS FAST AS THE RAMP CTLR WANTED ME TO CATCH UP, I WOULD HAVE HAD TO STAND ON THE BRAKES TO MISS HIM. I FEEL THAT THE CAPT OPERATED HIS/HER ACFT IN AN UNNECESSARY MANNER. I ALSO FEEL THAT IF SOME ACFT ON THE RAMP ARE CTLED THEN ALL SHOULD BE. 'ONE LEVEL OF SAFETY FOR ALL.' IF NOT THEN WE SHOULD BE INFORMED THAT THERE ARE UNCTLED ACFT ON THE RAMP. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR WAS FLYING A B727-200 DURING THIS EVENT. HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT TAXIING VERY FAST WHEN THE BEECH 1900 CUT IN FRONT OF HIS ACFT, BUT HE STILL HAD TO BRAKE TO AVOID HIM. LATER THE BEECH 1900 LEFT THE LINEUP TO USE ANOTHER RWY. AS IT TURNED OUT, HE SAID, THE COMMUTER DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO GET IN THE LINE. THE RPTR HAS BEEN BACK TO DEN SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THIS EVENT WITHOUT ENCOUNTERING ANY FURTHER PROBS, HOWEVER, SOME OF THE OTHER COMPANY PLTS HAVE MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE HAD SIMILAR OCCURRENCES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.