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Attributes | |
ACN | 318988 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : eggx |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : eggx tracon : ind |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic enroute : atlantic enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 318988 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 319523 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 33000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
At FL310 cruise mach .80 we were called on SELCAL by shanwick oceanic to confirm our mach was .80. We confirmed .80 mach as per our clearance. We strictly adhered to mach .80 during the entire flight as per our clearance. We were then called a few mins later and cleared to cruise at FL330. We reported vacating FL310 and reaching FL330 maintaining .80 mach throughout. Shortly after passing at 58 degrees north longitude, 30 degrees west, we were called again by shanwick oceanic and advised some sort of deviation report would be filed due to our separation supposedly changing from 10 mins to 8 mins, then to 7 mins. We were never more than 1 min early at any reporting point. Our TCASII only showed traffic in front of us at FL350 and FL370. I believe, since we strictly adhered to our clearance, and our company flight ahead of us at FL350 kept about the same position on our TCASII display, there must have been some problem with shanwick oceanic with regard to their responsibility to assure adequate longitudinal separation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter, the captain, was unable to shed much light on this incident as he has not heard anything from ATC or FAA. He had discussed this event with his dispatch office. They felt that it might have involved a military aircraft ahead of their aircraft and for some unknown reason, shanwick had singled out the air carrier flight as the culprit. The TCASII range is limited and any aircraft farther away than 7 mins or about 54 mi, would not be seen. The TCASII range is about 40-50 NM. Aircraft position reports from the military aircraft may also have been on a different frequency range or assignment.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A UNITED STATES PART 121 CARRIER IS ACCUSED OF NON ADHERENCE TO OCEANIC CLRNC, A SPD DEV, BY SHANWICK CTL.
Narrative: AT FL310 CRUISE MACH .80 WE WERE CALLED ON SELCAL BY SHANWICK OCEANIC TO CONFIRM OUR MACH WAS .80. WE CONFIRMED .80 MACH AS PER OUR CLRNC. WE STRICTLY ADHERED TO MACH .80 DURING THE ENTIRE FLT AS PER OUR CLRNC. WE WERE THEN CALLED A FEW MINS LATER AND CLRED TO CRUISE AT FL330. WE RPTED VACATING FL310 AND REACHING FL330 MAINTAINING .80 MACH THROUGHOUT. SHORTLY AFTER PASSING AT 58 DEGS N LONGITUDE, 30 DEGS W, WE WERE CALLED AGAIN BY SHANWICK OCEANIC AND ADVISED SOME SORT OF DEV RPT WOULD BE FILED DUE TO OUR SEPARATION SUPPOSEDLY CHANGING FROM 10 MINS TO 8 MINS, THEN TO 7 MINS. WE WERE NEVER MORE THAN 1 MIN EARLY AT ANY RPTING POINT. OUR TCASII ONLY SHOWED TFC IN FRONT OF US AT FL350 AND FL370. I BELIEVE, SINCE WE STRICTLY ADHERED TO OUR CLRNC, AND OUR COMPANY FLT AHEAD OF US AT FL350 KEPT ABOUT THE SAME POS ON OUR TCASII DISPLAY, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME PROB WITH SHANWICK OCEANIC WITH REGARD TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ASSURE ADEQUATE LONGITUDINAL SEPARATION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR, THE CAPT, WAS UNABLE TO SHED MUCH LIGHT ON THIS INCIDENT AS HE HAS NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM ATC OR FAA. HE HAD DISCUSSED THIS EVENT WITH HIS DISPATCH OFFICE. THEY FELT THAT IT MIGHT HAVE INVOLVED A MIL ACFT AHEAD OF THEIR ACFT AND FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON, SHANWICK HAD SINGLED OUT THE ACR FLT AS THE CULPRIT. THE TCASII RANGE IS LIMITED AND ANY ACFT FARTHER AWAY THAN 7 MINS OR ABOUT 54 MI, WOULD NOT BE SEEN. THE TCASII RANGE IS ABOUT 40-50 NM. ACFT POS RPTS FROM THE MIL ACFT MAY ALSO HAVE BEEN ON A DIFFERENT FREQ RANGE OR ASSIGNMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.