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Attributes | |
ACN | 319273 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jfk airport : 6n4 |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | SA 365 Dauphin 2 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 319273 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 319265 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Prior to flight on oct/xa/95 a check was made for current NOTAM or tfr (temporary flight restr) for the nyc area. There were none published at that time. The aircraft departed early that morning for a flight out of the nyc area. Upon returning that afternoon discovered aircraft penetrated an active temporary flight restr area. When questioning an FAA representative, who was stationed at the heliport of landing, I was informed that a temporary flight restr was filed the night before, however it was dropped from the system for unknown reasons and reentered into the system later in the morning of that day. Not receiving a NOTAM with a temporary flight restr in effect for that day prior to flight one assumed restr area was canceled for that period. I feel the FAA should convey this information to local operators in a more efficient manner, such as by facsimile, which had been done earlier this same week. We did supply aircraft and personnel information to the FAA for their database for this period. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information for 319265: the reporter stated the helicopter was a dauphin sa 365. They were talking on a common traffic frequency announcing in the blind their position and intentions. He stated there is nothing the crew could have done differently. He reiterated his suggestion that a facsimile be sent daily to the known operators in the area alerting them of the schedule of temporary flight restrs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HELI FLC DOES NOT GET THE INFO ABOUT THE TEMPORARY FLT RESTR.
Narrative: PRIOR TO FLT ON OCT/XA/95 A CHK WAS MADE FOR CURRENT NOTAM OR TFR (TEMPORARY FLT RESTR) FOR THE NYC AREA. THERE WERE NONE PUBLISHED AT THAT TIME. THE ACFT DEPARTED EARLY THAT MORNING FOR A FLT OUT OF THE NYC AREA. UPON RETURNING THAT AFTERNOON DISCOVERED ACFT PENETRATED AN ACTIVE TEMPORARY FLT RESTR AREA. WHEN QUESTIONING AN FAA REPRESENTATIVE, WHO WAS STATIONED AT THE HELIPORT OF LNDG, I WAS INFORMED THAT A TEMPORARY FLT RESTR WAS FILED THE NIGHT BEFORE, HOWEVER IT WAS DROPPED FROM THE SYS FOR UNKNOWN REASONS AND REENTERED INTO THE SYS LATER IN THE MORNING OF THAT DAY. NOT RECEIVING A NOTAM WITH A TEMPORARY FLT RESTR IN EFFECT FOR THAT DAY PRIOR TO FLT ONE ASSUMED RESTR AREA WAS CANCELED FOR THAT PERIOD. I FEEL THE FAA SHOULD CONVEY THIS INFO TO LCL OPERATORS IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER, SUCH AS BY FACSIMILE, WHICH HAD BEEN DONE EARLIER THIS SAME WK. WE DID SUPPLY ACFT AND PERSONNEL INFO TO THE FAA FOR THEIR DATABASE FOR THIS PERIOD. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO FOR 319265: THE RPTR STATED THE HELI WAS A DAUPHIN SA 365. THEY WERE TALKING ON A COMMON TFC FREQ ANNOUNCING IN THE BLIND THEIR POS AND INTENTIONS. HE STATED THERE IS NOTHING THE CREW COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY. HE REITERATED HIS SUGGESTION THAT A FACSIMILE BE SENT DAILY TO THE KNOWN OPERATORS IN THE AREA ALERTING THEM OF THE SCHEDULE OF TEMPORARY FLT RESTRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.