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Attributes | |
ACN | 319770 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : otk |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 30000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 319770 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Received clearance from ZJX to descend from FL370 to cross clawz intersection at FL270. Entered crossing restr in mcdu, selected constraint push button and set FL270 in altitude window, then pushed level change knob for a VNAV descent. Everything looked normal at this point and we should have intercepted the descent profile in about 2-3 min. Went back to mcdu and found the STAR approach plate to input leese crossing restr. Side note: flight attendant came into the cockpit just about this time to ask about something. The mcdu dropped the clawz crossing restr and would not allow it to be reinserted. Gave an error message that the input was outside of the correct range. At this point, we went to open descent using speed brakes in an attempt to make the crossing restr. Was unable to make FL270 until 5-6 NM past clawz due in part to an increase in the tailwind of an additional 25 KTS (105 vs 80-85). Crossed clawz at FL300 and was unable to contact center to advise as frequency had been quite busy with 4-5 other aircraft. No known conflicts, no comment from ZJX. Changed frequency a bit later. The airbus still does various things which are not logical nor easily explained. It seems as problems are corrected in the software others are created and some problems that supposedly have been fixed still exist under certain circumstances. Constant vigilance seems to be the only answer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV XING RESTR NOT MET. VNAV CONSTRAINT DROPPED OUT WHEN INSERTING NEW CONSTRAINT.
Narrative: RECEIVED CLRNC FROM ZJX TO DSND FROM FL370 TO CROSS CLAWZ INTXN AT FL270. ENTERED XING RESTR IN MCDU, SELECTED CONSTRAINT PUSH BUTTON AND SET FL270 IN ALT WINDOW, THEN PUSHED LEVEL CHANGE KNOB FOR A VNAV DSCNT. EVERYTHING LOOKED NORMAL AT THIS POINT AND WE SHOULD HAVE INTERCEPTED THE DSCNT PROFILE IN ABOUT 2-3 MIN. WENT BACK TO MCDU AND FOUND THE STAR APCH PLATE TO INPUT LEESE XING RESTR. SIDE NOTE: FLT ATTENDANT CAME INTO THE COCKPIT JUST ABOUT THIS TIME TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING. THE MCDU DROPPED THE CLAWZ XING RESTR AND WOULD NOT ALLOW IT TO BE REINSERTED. GAVE AN ERROR MESSAGE THAT THE INPUT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CORRECT RANGE. AT THIS POINT, WE WENT TO OPEN DSCNT USING SPEED BRAKES IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE THE XING RESTR. WAS UNABLE TO MAKE FL270 UNTIL 5-6 NM PAST CLAWZ DUE IN PART TO AN INCREASE IN THE TAILWIND OF AN ADDITIONAL 25 KTS (105 VS 80-85). CROSSED CLAWZ AT FL300 AND WAS UNABLE TO CONTACT CTR TO ADVISE AS FREQ HAD BEEN QUITE BUSY WITH 4-5 OTHER ACFT. NO KNOWN CONFLICTS, NO COMMENT FROM ZJX. CHANGED FREQ A BIT LATER. THE AIRBUS STILL DOES VARIOUS THINGS WHICH ARE NOT LOGICAL NOR EASILY EXPLAINED. IT SEEMS AS PROBS ARE CORRECTED IN THE SOFTWARE OTHERS ARE CREATED AND SOME PROBS THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAVE BEEN FIXED STILL EXIST UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. CONSTANT VIGILANCE SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ANSWER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.