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Attributes | |
ACN | 321584 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sus |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl tower : sus |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 321584 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We were assigned an altitude of 2500 ft and left turn to a heading of 210 degrees departing on runway 26L at sus. After reaching an altitude of 1500 ft for noise abatement, we began our left turn. The tower then issued traffic at our 11 O'clock at 2700 ft. The PNF acknowledged with 'no contact.' the tower came back with 'contact departure on 126.7.' the PNF made contact whereby we were issued a further left turn to 180 degrees, climb to 4000 ft. We realized this turn was going to take us toward the previously issued traffic. The PNF told departure we did not have visual contact with the traffic issued by the tower. Departure came back with an immediate left turn to 120 degrees. During that turn we saw the climbing traffic and realized had we not made that turn a collision was possible. I would like to think that a VFR traffic advisory made by the tower to an IFR departing aircraft is passed along to departure. If we would have acknowledged the traffic to the tower, then no further action by the tower would have been necessary. But when we said 'no contact' a flag should have gone up to either stay with the tower and their radar or to pass the traffic situation to departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE ATCT LCL CTLR DID NOT PASS ALONG THE 'NO CONTACT' INFO TO DEP CTLR. TFC ADVISORY GIVEN TFC NOT SIGHTED BY CORPORATE TURBOPROP FLC. POTENTIAL CONFLICT BECAME NMAC.
Narrative: WE WERE ASSIGNED AN ALT OF 2500 FT AND L TURN TO A HDG OF 210 DEGS DEPARTING ON RWY 26L AT SUS. AFTER REACHING AN ALT OF 1500 FT FOR NOISE ABATEMENT, WE BEGAN OUR L TURN. THE TWR THEN ISSUED TFC AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK AT 2700 FT. THE PNF ACKNOWLEDGED WITH 'NO CONTACT.' THE TWR CAME BACK WITH 'CONTACT DEP ON 126.7.' THE PNF MADE CONTACT WHEREBY WE WERE ISSUED A FURTHER L TURN TO 180 DEGS, CLB TO 4000 FT. WE REALIZED THIS TURN WAS GOING TO TAKE US TOWARD THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED TFC. THE PNF TOLD DEP WE DID NOT HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE TFC ISSUED BY THE TWR. DEP CAME BACK WITH AN IMMEDIATE L TURN TO 120 DEGS. DURING THAT TURN WE SAW THE CLBING TFC AND REALIZED HAD WE NOT MADE THAT TURN A COLLISION WAS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT A VFR TFC ADVISORY MADE BY THE TWR TO AN IFR DEPARTING ACFT IS PASSED ALONG TO DEP. IF WE WOULD HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THE TFC TO THE TWR, THEN NO FURTHER ACTION BY THE TWR WOULD HAVE BEEN NECESSARY. BUT WHEN WE SAID 'NO CONTACT' A FLAG SHOULD HAVE GONE UP TO EITHER STAY WITH THE TWR AND THEIR RADAR OR TO PASS THE TFC SITUATION TO DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.