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Attributes | |
ACN | 321930 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 321930 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : far non adherence other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Landed runway 26R in atl. Cleared to taxi across runway 26L from tower. Contacted ground and got clearance to taxi to ramp X. Prior to entering ramp X I contacted air carrier a ramp control and told them air carrier B at ramp X north was going to gate Y. There was some confusion between ramp and us. He told me that he had an air carrier a plane in that gate. I asked the flight engineer what gate are we going to. He said gate Y but an air carrier a plane was in there and we would have to wait. I relayed that message to ramp X control. Air carrier a ramp control told us to wait behind gate west. While we were waiting I asked the flight engineer how long we would have to wait. He said 20-25 mins. I asked the captain if he would like to shut the engines down. He replied no because an air carrier C plane, at gate west, looked like it was going to power back. Ramp control then told us that we would have to move because a plane was coming to gate V. He asked how long before our gate would be open. I responded 20 mins. They asked if we would go to ramp Z (ramp Z is uncontrolled) and wait. The captain agreed to do that. We started taxi and I tuned ground in for the south side. The captain told me to monitor ground. I told him I would. I was going to call ground. He told me no and just to monitor ground. I told him it was an active controled taxiway. He told me again not to talk to them and only monitor. We proceeded out on the active taxiway and I heard another air carrier D call ramp Z south. Ground gave them permission to taxi on taxiway left. We were on taxiway left. I told the captain that air carrier D was cleared to taxi where we were. The air carrier D saw us and stopped. We passed him from his nose r-l and turned into ramp Z after passing him. Ground then asked them who just taxied by them. They idented us and I told the captain. His response was 'blank' them who cares. We waited 10 mins and went to gate U on ramp Z. Contributing factors: the captain frosted because of the delay getting a gate. Lack of CRM. Lack of professional leadership of the captain. Solution: more emphasis on CRM in training and recurrent training.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT REFUSED TO ALLOW FO TO ESTABLISH COM WITH GND CTL WHILE MOVING ON ACTIVE TXWY.
Narrative: LANDED RWY 26R IN ATL. CLRED TO TAXI ACROSS RWY 26L FROM TWR. CONTACTED GND AND GOT CLRNC TO TAXI TO RAMP X. PRIOR TO ENTERING RAMP X I CONTACTED ACR A RAMP CTL AND TOLD THEM ACR B AT RAMP X NORTH WAS GOING TO GATE Y. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BTWN RAMP AND US. HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD AN ACR A PLANE IN THAT GATE. I ASKED THE FE WHAT GATE ARE WE GOING TO. HE SAID GATE Y BUT AN ACR A PLANE WAS IN THERE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT. I RELAYED THAT MESSAGE TO RAMP X CTL. ACR A RAMP CTL TOLD US TO WAIT BEHIND GATE W. WHILE WE WERE WAITING I ASKED THE FE HOW LONG WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT. HE SAID 20-25 MINS. I ASKED THE CAPT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SHUT THE ENGS DOWN. HE REPLIED NO BECAUSE AN ACR C PLANE, AT GATE W, LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO PWR BACK. RAMP CTL THEN TOLD US THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE A PLANE WAS COMING TO GATE V. HE ASKED HOW LONG BEFORE OUR GATE WOULD BE OPEN. I RESPONDED 20 MINS. THEY ASKED IF WE WOULD GO TO RAMP Z (RAMP Z IS UNCTLED) AND WAIT. THE CAPT AGREED TO DO THAT. WE STARTED TAXI AND I TUNED GND IN FOR THE S SIDE. THE CAPT TOLD ME TO MONITOR GND. I TOLD HIM I WOULD. I WAS GOING TO CALL GND. HE TOLD ME NO AND JUST TO MONITOR GND. I TOLD HIM IT WAS AN ACTIVE CTLED TXWY. HE TOLD ME AGAIN NOT TO TALK TO THEM AND ONLY MONITOR. WE PROCEEDED OUT ON THE ACTIVE TXWY AND I HEARD ANOTHER ACR D CALL RAMP Z S. GND GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO TAXI ON TXWY L. WE WERE ON TXWY L. I TOLD THE CAPT THAT ACR D WAS CLRED TO TAXI WHERE WE WERE. THE ACR D SAW US AND STOPPED. WE PASSED HIM FROM HIS NOSE R-L AND TURNED INTO RAMP Z AFTER PASSING HIM. GND THEN ASKED THEM WHO JUST TAXIED BY THEM. THEY IDENTED US AND I TOLD THE CAPT. HIS RESPONSE WAS 'BLANK' THEM WHO CARES. WE WAITED 10 MINS AND WENT TO GATE U ON RAMP Z. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: THE CAPT FROSTED BECAUSE OF THE DELAY GETTING A GATE. LACK OF CRM. LACK OF PROFESSIONAL LEADERSHIP OF THE CAPT. SOLUTION: MORE EMPHASIS ON CRM IN TRAINING AND RECURRENT TRAINING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.