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Attributes | |
ACN | 325310 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cak |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude landing : missed approach |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 2200 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 325310 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was instructing another instructor for his instrument instructor rating and had planned practice approachs at 3 different airports, one of which I was not familiar with. After 3 ILS approachs to sac (executive airport), while executing the missed approach, I asked the student if he wanted to try another ILS or something different. He suggested the VOR runway 4 approach to mather (the approach I was not familiar with). He requested a practice approach (from ATC) and departure control cleared us direct sac VOR, cross at 2000 ft, cleared for the approach and maintain VFR throughout the approach. I then proceeded to find my approach chart (among the 3 airports we had planned) and briefly reviewed the first part of the procedure. The student also was not familiar with the approach and had difficulty locating the appropriate chart while flying the VOR. We both realized about the same time that we were at 2400 ft. At this time ATC asked if we were at 2500 ft. The student confirmed and we were then cleared to cross the VOR at 2500 ft and to proceed with the approach. (The remainder of the flight was normal.) another aircraft was passing over the VOR but appeared to be 1500-2000 ft above us and was never called as traffic by ATC. While it appears no conflict occurred, the incident impressed upon me the need to be more prepared or to allow more time to set up for a new approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT INSTRUCTOR ASSIGNED 2000 FT, CLB TO 2400 FT WHILE LOOKING FOR APCH CHART. CTLR REASSIGNS 2500 FT.
Narrative: I WAS INSTRUCTING ANOTHER INSTRUCTOR FOR HIS INST INSTRUCTOR RATING AND HAD PLANNED PRACTICE APCHS AT 3 DIFFERENT ARPTS, ONE OF WHICH I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH. AFTER 3 ILS APCHS TO SAC (EXECUTIVE ARPT), WHILE EXECUTING THE MISSED APCH, I ASKED THE STUDENT IF HE WANTED TO TRY ANOTHER ILS OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. HE SUGGESTED THE VOR RWY 4 APCH TO MATHER (THE APCH I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH). HE REQUESTED A PRACTICE APCH (FROM ATC) AND DEP CTL CLRED US DIRECT SAC VOR, CROSS AT 2000 FT, CLRED FOR THE APCH AND MAINTAIN VFR THROUGHOUT THE APCH. I THEN PROCEEDED TO FIND MY APCH CHART (AMONG THE 3 ARPTS WE HAD PLANNED) AND BRIEFLY REVIEWED THE FIRST PART OF THE PROC. THE STUDENT ALSO WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE APCH AND HAD DIFFICULTY LOCATING THE APPROPRIATE CHART WHILE FLYING THE VOR. WE BOTH REALIZED ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT WE WERE AT 2400 FT. AT THIS TIME ATC ASKED IF WE WERE AT 2500 FT. THE STUDENT CONFIRMED AND WE WERE THEN CLRED TO CROSS THE VOR AT 2500 FT AND TO PROCEED WITH THE APCH. (THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS NORMAL.) ANOTHER ACFT WAS PASSING OVER THE VOR BUT APPEARED TO BE 1500-2000 FT ABOVE US AND WAS NEVER CALLED AS TFC BY ATC. WHILE IT APPEARS NO CONFLICT OCCURRED, THE INCIDENT IMPRESSED UPON ME THE NEED TO BE MORE PREPARED OR TO ALLOW MORE TIME TO SET UP FOR A NEW APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.