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The flight crew crossed ramms intersection at 17300 ft. The crossing altitude restr was below 16000 ft to maintain 15000 ft. The captain told the controller they were going to be high and asked if that was a problem. The controller said it was 'no problem' but he did not provide a clearance to cross at a higher altitude.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 325590 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199601 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : dvv |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 17300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : den |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 8700 flight time type : 590 |
| ASRS Report | 325590 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We received clearance to cross ramms intersection at or below 16000 ft to maintain 15000 ft. My first officer was the PF and he started a slow descent. At about 56 DME he knew he was high and increased his descent rate. At about 50 DME center handed us off to approach control. I checked in with approach and told them we would be high over ramms and asked if it was a problem. They stated 'no problem.' we crossed ramms at 17300 ft, 1300 ft higher than cleared. The reason for the deviation was my failure to insist on an increased rate of descent to meet the restr.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FLC CROSSED RAMMS INTXN AT 17300 FT. THE XING ALT RESTR WAS BELOW 16000 FT TO MAINTAIN 15000 FT. THE CAPT TOLD THE CTLR THEY WERE GOING TO BE HIGH AND ASKED IF THAT WAS A PROB. THE CTLR SAID IT WAS 'NO PROB' BUT HE DID NOT PROVIDE A CLRNC TO CROSS AT A HIGHER ALT.
Narrative: WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS RAMMS INTXN AT OR BELOW 16000 FT TO MAINTAIN 15000 FT. MY FO WAS THE PF AND HE STARTED A SLOW DSCNT. AT ABOUT 56 DME HE KNEW HE WAS HIGH AND INCREASED HIS DSCNT RATE. AT ABOUT 50 DME CTR HANDED US OFF TO APCH CTL. I CHKED IN WITH APCH AND TOLD THEM WE WOULD BE HIGH OVER RAMMS AND ASKED IF IT WAS A PROB. THEY STATED 'NO PROB.' WE CROSSED RAMMS AT 17300 FT, 1300 FT HIGHER THAN CLRED. THE REASON FOR THE DEV WAS MY FAILURE TO INSIST ON AN INCREASED RATE OF DSCNT TO MEET THE RESTR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.