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Attributes | |
ACN | 326950 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 3619 flight time type : 2137 |
ASRS Report | 326950 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This flight was the first in a series of early morning departures, (show at xa:00 am EST). On climb out from dtw, the first officer was flying. At approximately 12000 ft MSL, the altitude alerter began to sound aurally. This was obviously in error because we were well below our assigned altitude. After dialing the alerter down a few thousand ft to reset it, I placed it on 16000 ft, which I understood was our assigned altitude to climb to. At 16000 ft, the first officer leveled the aircraft. Center controller asked if we were at 16000 ft and I replied 'affirmative, leveling 1-6 thousand.' the controller then replied, 'ok, maintain 1-6 thousand, altimeter...' (setting not recalled). It was this remark that led us to believe we could have possibly been cleared only to a lower altitude than 16000 ft. Neither myself or the first officer could recall being assigned a different altitude, or even being assigned 16000 ft, even though it is our normal cruise altitude and it was set in the altitude alert device. Because the controller told us to maintain 1-6 thousand, no corrective action was necessary. An inconsistent altitude alert device, lack of quality crew rest, or simple pilot error are possible causes of this incident, if in fact any incident actually occurred. It is possible that 16000 ft was our assigned altitude and no error was made.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FLC HAD TO CYCLE THE ALT ALERTER THROUGH MANY ALTS BEFORE THE WARNING WOULD SILENCE. THE RPTR RESET THE ALT ALERTER TO WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS HIS ASSIGNED ALT BUT COULD NOT BE SURE.
Narrative: THIS FLT WAS THE FIRST IN A SERIES OF EARLY MORNING DEPS, (SHOW AT XA:00 AM EST). ON CLB OUT FROM DTW, THE FO WAS FLYING. AT APPROX 12000 FT MSL, THE ALT ALERTER BEGAN TO SOUND AURALLY. THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY IN ERROR BECAUSE WE WERE WELL BELOW OUR ASSIGNED ALT. AFTER DIALING THE ALERTER DOWN A FEW THOUSAND FT TO RESET IT, I PLACED IT ON 16000 FT, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD WAS OUR ASSIGNED ALT TO CLB TO. AT 16000 FT, THE FO LEVELED THE ACFT. CTR CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE AT 16000 FT AND I REPLIED 'AFFIRMATIVE, LEVELING 1-6 THOUSAND.' THE CTLR THEN REPLIED, 'OK, MAINTAIN 1-6 THOUSAND, ALTIMETER...' (SETTING NOT RECALLED). IT WAS THIS REMARK THAT LED US TO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN CLRED ONLY TO A LOWER ALT THAN 16000 FT. NEITHER MYSELF OR THE FO COULD RECALL BEING ASSIGNED A DIFFERENT ALT, OR EVEN BEING ASSIGNED 16000 FT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS OUR NORMAL CRUISE ALT AND IT WAS SET IN THE ALT ALERT DEVICE. BECAUSE THE CTLR TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 1-6 THOUSAND, NO CORRECTIVE ACTION WAS NECESSARY. AN INCONSISTENT ALT ALERT DEVICE, LACK OF QUALITY CREW REST, OR SIMPLE PLT ERROR ARE POSSIBLE CAUSES OF THIS INCIDENT, IF IN FACT ANY INCIDENT ACTUALLY OCCURRED. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT 16000 FT WAS OUR ASSIGNED ALT AND NO ERROR WAS MADE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.