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B767 flight crew turned onto final inside the marker, not set up for close turn. Stick shaker activates when speed brakes applied.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 332329 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mia |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mia |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 332329 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This situation happened because I allowed myself to become overloaded for what was essentially a visual approach. We were asked to keep our speed up to accommodate other traffic and cleared direct to gritt. I was properly set up to arrive at gritt at 3000 ft and about 170 KIAS. However, approach turned us in quite early, inside the marker. I did not realize that we were so close in when turned 90 degrees to final and was heading for another aircraft on final to runway 9L. My attention was focused on this aircraft and I had switched to full ILS to avoid flying through the runway 9R final because, although I could see the airport, I could not see the runway. The speed brakes were still out and we put the gear down and while waiting for 3 greens I started my turn to final at about 1000 ft. The stick shaker occurred due to speed brakes out. Rapid speed decay due to being outside and waiting for 3 greens. The copilot recognized the problem with the speed brakes and since I had my hands full, he put them down. The rest of the approach was normal. I have learned a valuable lesson. It is possible to get too much going on in perfect conditions by allowing yourself to be led into a situation when you really are not ready for it. More to be said for a stabilized approach. It can happen and it did.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 FLC TURNED ONTO FINAL INSIDE THE MARKER, NOT SET UP FOR CLOSE TURN. STICK SHAKER ACTIVATES WHEN SPD BRAKES APPLIED.
Narrative: THIS SIT HAPPENED BECAUSE I ALLOWED MYSELF TO BECOME OVERLOADED FOR WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A VISUAL APCH. WE WERE ASKED TO KEEP OUR SPD UP TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER TFC AND CLRED DIRECT TO GRITT. I WAS PROPERLY SET UP TO ARRIVE AT GRITT AT 3000 FT AND ABOUT 170 KIAS. HOWEVER, APCH TURNED US IN QUITE EARLY, INSIDE THE MARKER. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT WE WERE SO CLOSE IN WHEN TURNED 90 DEGS TO FINAL AND WAS HDG FOR ANOTHER ACFT ON FINAL TO RWY 9L. MY ATTN WAS FOCUSED ON THIS ACFT AND I HAD SWITCHED TO FULL ILS TO AVOID FLYING THROUGH THE RWY 9R FINAL BECAUSE, ALTHOUGH I COULD SEE THE ARPT, I COULD NOT SEE THE RWY. THE SPD BRAKES WERE STILL OUT AND WE PUT THE GEAR DOWN AND WHILE WAITING FOR 3 GREENS I STARTED MY TURN TO FINAL AT ABOUT 1000 FT. THE STICK SHAKER OCCURRED DUE TO SPD BRAKES OUT. RAPID SPD DECAY DUE TO BEING OUTSIDE AND WAITING FOR 3 GREENS. THE COPLT RECOGNIZED THE PROB WITH THE SPD BRAKES AND SINCE I HAD MY HANDS FULL, HE PUT THEM DOWN. THE REST OF THE APCH WAS NORMAL. I HAVE LEARNED A VALUABLE LESSON. IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET TOO MUCH GOING ON IN PERFECT CONDITIONS BY ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE LED INTO A SIT WHEN YOU REALLY ARE NOT READY FOR IT. MORE TO BE SAID FOR A STABILIZED APCH. IT CAN HAPPEN AND IT DID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.