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Captain, taxiing aircraft didn't listen to first officer protest and taxied over flush mounted taxi lights onto ramp area. Reporter first officer says it is a bad precedent.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 333848 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : orf |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 650 |
| ASRS Report | 333848 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After departing gate for takeoff, passenger count was out of limits with final weight manifest. We were unable to contact company by any radio means. Captain elected to taxi back and flash landing lights at personnel who were on ramp working other aircraft. Captain taxied onto ramp astraddle flush mounted taxiway lights and set brakes on top of them. Once contact was established with company, captain elected to do a 180 degree turn to the right to reintercept the taxiway. This was through another row of blue taxiway lights. Although there were no physical barriers to this taxi route, I felt that disregarding ICAO taxiway markers is a bad precedent to set. I protested to the captain throughout the maneuver.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT, TAXIING ACFT DIDN'T LISTEN TO FO PROTEST AND TAXIED OVER FLUSH MOUNTED TAXI LIGHTS ONTO RAMP AREA. RPTR FO SAYS IT IS A BAD PRECEDENT.
Narrative: AFTER DEPARTING GATE FOR TKOF, PAX COUNT WAS OUT OF LIMITS WITH FINAL WT MANIFEST. WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT COMPANY BY ANY RADIO MEANS. CAPT ELECTED TO TAXI BACK AND FLASH LNDG LIGHTS AT PERSONNEL WHO WERE ON RAMP WORKING OTHER ACFT. CAPT TAXIED ONTO RAMP ASTRADDLE FLUSH MOUNTED TXWY LIGHTS AND SET BRAKES ON TOP OF THEM. ONCE CONTACT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH COMPANY, CAPT ELECTED TO DO A 180 DEG TURN TO THE R TO REINTERCEPT THE TXWY. THIS WAS THROUGH ANOTHER ROW OF BLUE TXWY LIGHTS. ALTHOUGH THERE WERE NO PHYSICAL BARRIERS TO THIS TAXI RTE, I FELT THAT DISREGARDING ICAO TXWY MARKERS IS A BAD PRECEDENT TO SET. I PROTESTED TO THE CAPT THROUGHOUT THE MANEUVER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.