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Flight instructor reporter in C172 from alliance entering right downwind for meacham experienced an near midair collision with a C172 that apparently had just taken off of meacham. The reporter personally has had 3 or more nmacs in this same area within the last yr. The reporter feels there should be better coordination between the 2 towers to enhance the value of the traffic advisories.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 333972 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ftw airport : afw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1900 msl bound upper : 1900 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ftw tower : lga |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1300 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 333972 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 50 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
After being handed off from afw tower to ftw, we were told to enter a right downwind to runway 34R. We were inside the class D airspace. Aircraft #2 was spotted at our 2 O'clock position and less than 1/4 mi. Tower never mentioned traffic, even though it had evidently just departed and was on climb out. This is part of an ongoing hazardous situation that exists between ftw and afw regarding separation of traffic and traffic advisories, when transitioning from one to the other. Evidently, the controllers at the 2 towers do not communicate with each other, or with regional approach 118.1. I have had 3 or more nmacs in this area personally in the last yr. These 2 control towers need to coordinate with each other and with regional approach to provide better advisory service to pilots in this busy area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT INSTRUCTOR RPTR IN C172 FROM ALLIANCE ENTERING R DOWNWIND FOR MEACHAM EXPERIENCED AN NMAC WITH A C172 THAT APPARENTLY HAD JUST TAKEN OFF OF MEACHAM. THE RPTR PERSONALLY HAS HAD 3 OR MORE NMACS IN THIS SAME AREA WITHIN THE LAST YR. THE RPTR FEELS THERE SHOULD BE BETTER COORD BTWN THE 2 TWRS TO ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE TFC ADVISORIES.
Narrative: AFTER BEING HANDED OFF FROM AFW TWR TO FTW, WE WERE TOLD TO ENTER A R DOWNWIND TO RWY 34R. WE WERE INSIDE THE CLASS D AIRSPACE. ACFT #2 WAS SPOTTED AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS AND LESS THAN 1/4 MI. TWR NEVER MENTIONED TFC, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD EVIDENTLY JUST DEPARTED AND WAS ON CLBOUT. THIS IS PART OF AN ONGOING HAZARDOUS SIT THAT EXISTS BTWN FTW AND AFW REGARDING SEPARATION OF TFC AND TFC ADVISORIES, WHEN TRANSITIONING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. EVIDENTLY, THE CTLRS AT THE 2 TWRS DO NOT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, OR WITH REGIONAL APCH 118.1. I HAVE HAD 3 OR MORE NMACS IN THIS AREA PERSONALLY IN THE LAST YR. THESE 2 CTL TWRS NEED TO COORDINATE WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH REGIONAL APCH TO PROVIDE BETTER ADVISORY SVC TO PLTS IN THIS BUSY AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.