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Attributes | |
ACN | 334997 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jhw |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 334997 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Another aircraft reported a WX balloon between FL310 and FL330 30 NM east of jamestown, ny. ATC did not know of it. No NOTAMS were posted and the aircraft reported he couldn't pick it up on TCASII. I was under the impression these balloons were TCASII visible. If not it sure would be a good idea -- at those altitudes and speeds I'm not sure one would see one in time to avoid. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated he was flying a B737- 200. He did not know what kind of airplane the other aircraft was other than it was an airliner. The reporter stated he used to work for the FAA. He thought WX balloons were supposed to deflate above 20000 ft. He thought there was a transponder on balloons that would inform the center and the TCASII of their location -- if not, he thought there should be. The observer of the balloon stated the color was blue or translucent and quite large as seen to pass about 1000 ft below. The reporter stated he was in VMC conditions and the gross weight of the B737-200 is 109000 pounds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR CONCERNED ABOUT WX BALLOON HAZARD RPTED ON AIRWAY AT 30000 FT.
Narrative: ANOTHER ACFT RPTED A WX BALLOON BTWN FL310 AND FL330 30 NM E OF JAMESTOWN, NY. ATC DID NOT KNOW OF IT. NO NOTAMS WERE POSTED AND THE ACFT RPTED HE COULDN'T PICK IT UP ON TCASII. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THESE BALLOONS WERE TCASII VISIBLE. IF NOT IT SURE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA -- AT THOSE ALTS AND SPDS I'M NOT SURE ONE WOULD SEE ONE IN TIME TO AVOID. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED HE WAS FLYING A B737- 200. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT KIND OF AIRPLANE THE OTHER ACFT WAS OTHER THAN IT WAS AN AIRLINER. THE RPTR STATED HE USED TO WORK FOR THE FAA. HE THOUGHT WX BALLOONS WERE SUPPOSED TO DEFLATE ABOVE 20000 FT. HE THOUGHT THERE WAS A XPONDER ON BALLOONS THAT WOULD INFORM THE CTR AND THE TCASII OF THEIR LOCATION -- IF NOT, HE THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE. THE OBSERVER OF THE BALLOON STATED THE COLOR WAS BLUE OR TRANSLUCENT AND QUITE LARGE AS SEEN TO PASS ABOUT 1000 FT BELOW. THE RPTR STATED HE WAS IN VMC CONDITIONS AND THE GROSS WT OF THE B737-200 IS 109000 LBS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.