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Attributes | |
ACN | 338210 |
Time | |
Date | 199606 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dvv airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2800 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 338210 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 110 |
ASRS Report | 338224 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Discussion with first officer distraction me. I started descent late. I accidentally missed crossing restr, by 600 ft and 2 mi. ATC asked if we would be able to make crossing restr. I thought we could and attempted to make the restr. In future, I will limit all conversation during dscnts into terminal areas, even above 10000 ft. Supplemental information from acn 338224: we were cleared to cross ramms and maintain 15000 ft 90 plus mi from the intersection. At 55 DME, center contacted us to ask if we could make the restr, we were still at FL230. Captain began a 3000-4000 FPM descent. I asked him if he wanted the propellers forward. At 46 DME, we were 1000 ft above assigned. I told the captain direct fqf. I centered the radial and started running in-range checklists. I looked at my needles and they were 1/2 scale fly right. The captain had dvv still. ATC asked if we were deviating around some WX. I first blame myself for being a complacent first officer. My second problem was lack of rest. For the captain's fault, he was also 'out of it' that day. He showed up with white athletic socks on and spilled his coffee on the EFIS panel during the runup. He also performed no walkaround before the runup. His attitude was far too casual. We were preoccupied with a discussion of where in den he could purchase black socks. From now on, the left seater is going to find a mini-captain in the right seat!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LTT FAILED TO MAKE ITS XING RESTR.
Narrative: DISCUSSION WITH FO DISTR ME. I STARTED DSCNT LATE. I ACCIDENTALLY MISSED XING RESTR, BY 600 FT AND 2 MI. ATC ASKED IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE XING RESTR. I THOUGHT WE COULD AND ATTEMPTED TO MAKE THE RESTR. IN FUTURE, I WILL LIMIT ALL CONVERSATION DURING DSCNTS INTO TERMINAL AREAS, EVEN ABOVE 10000 FT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 338224: WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS RAMMS AND MAINTAIN 15000 FT 90 PLUS MI FROM THE INTXN. AT 55 DME, CTR CONTACTED US TO ASK IF WE COULD MAKE THE RESTR, WE WERE STILL AT FL230. CAPT BEGAN A 3000-4000 FPM DSCNT. I ASKED HIM IF HE WANTED THE PROPS FORWARD. AT 46 DME, WE WERE 1000 FT ABOVE ASSIGNED. I TOLD THE CAPT DIRECT FQF. I CTRED THE RADIAL AND STARTED RUNNING IN-RANGE CHKLISTS. I LOOKED AT MY NEEDLES AND THEY WERE 1/2 SCALE FLY R. THE CAPT HAD DVV STILL. ATC ASKED IF WE WERE DEVIATING AROUND SOME WX. I FIRST BLAME MYSELF FOR BEING A COMPLACENT FO. MY SECOND PROB WAS LACK OF REST. FOR THE CAPT'S FAULT, HE WAS ALSO 'OUT OF IT' THAT DAY. HE SHOWED UP WITH WHITE ATHLETIC SOCKS ON AND SPILLED HIS COFFEE ON THE EFIS PANEL DURING THE RUNUP. HE ALSO PERFORMED NO WALKAROUND BEFORE THE RUNUP. HIS ATTITUDE WAS FAR TOO CASUAL. WE WERE PREOCCUPIED WITH A DISCUSSION OF WHERE IN DEN HE COULD PURCHASE BLACK SOCKS. FROM NOW ON, THE L SEATER IS GOING TO FIND A MINI-CAPT IN THE R SEAT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.