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Attributes | |
ACN | 338543 |
Time | |
Date | 199606 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : spa |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28500 msl bound upper : 28500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 338543 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Although I feel we (cockpit crew) were correct in our handling of the situation, this occurrence is being written up due to a conflicting FAA safety inspector's decision. Safety inspector boarded our flight in atl to cabin inspect our cabin crew to iad. Approximately 20 mins into an 1 hour 15 min flight, we were climbing from FL280 to FL290. The flight conditions consisted of continuous moderate turbulence and 7/10 of the atl area in thunderstorms. ZTL cleared us to descend quickly back to FL280 for traffic. At the time the autoplt, autothrottles and engine heaters were on as the captain (PF) initiated the descent with the vertical speed wheel, the autothrottles retarded and then we heard several quick loud 'pops' that lasted a total of 2 seconds. The #1 flight attendant came up and asked what the noise was. We said that it might have been a compressor stall, however, there was never any abnormal engine or any other indication. The autothrottles remained engaged. They will disengage with any abnormal flux in power. She said that all was ok in the cabin, except that everyone was wondering what the noise was. The #1 flight attendant came back up approximately 2 mins later and said that the FAA inspector wanted to know what was going on in the cockpit. We told her that all was ok. The captain made an informative passenger announcement. This was only a brief one-time occurrence with no abnormal indications, we continued. Our abnormal section of our aom instructs on how to stop the 'popping' noise and secure an engine if unable. It does not instruct to return or land ahead of schedule. When we arrived at iad without any further abnormalities, the FAA inspector queried to why we did not return to atl. We stated that there was no abnormal indications which would go along with the procedure for a compressor stall. The captain felt best to continue and not return to the turbulence in atl with a 'good' aircraft. The inspector said he disagreed and stated that he was writing up a report. I feel the inspector showed total lack of respect for the crew and its knowledge and professionalism -- nor the captain's decision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IN QUICK RESPONSE TO ATC TO STOP CLB AND RETURN TO AN LOWER ALT FOR TFC, THE FLC OF A MD80 IN DOING THAT, IMMEDIATELY UPON RAPID THROTTLE RETARDING HEAR SEVERAL 'POP' SOUNDS, SIMILAR TO AN ENG COMPRESSOR STALL. HOWEVER, ALL ENG INDICATIONS WERE NORMAL AFTER THE INCIDENT, SO THE FLT WAS CONTINUED TO DEST WITH NO PROBS OR NOISES.
Narrative: ALTHOUGH I FEEL WE (COCKPIT CREW) WERE CORRECT IN OUR HANDLING OF THE SIT, THIS OCCURRENCE IS BEING WRITTEN UP DUE TO A CONFLICTING FAA SAFETY INSPECTOR'S DECISION. SAFETY INSPECTOR BOARDED OUR FLT IN ATL TO CABIN INSPECT OUR CABIN CREW TO IAD. APPROX 20 MINS INTO AN 1 HR 15 MIN FLT, WE WERE CLBING FROM FL280 TO FL290. THE FLT CONDITIONS CONSISTED OF CONTINUOUS MODERATE TURB AND 7/10 OF THE ATL AREA IN TSTMS. ZTL CLRED US TO DSND QUICKLY BACK TO FL280 FOR TFC. AT THE TIME THE AUTOPLT, AUTOTHROTTLES AND ENG HEATERS WERE ON AS THE CAPT (PF) INITIATED THE DSCNT WITH THE VERT SPD WHEEL, THE AUTOTHROTTLES RETARDED AND THEN WE HEARD SEVERAL QUICK LOUD 'POPS' THAT LASTED A TOTAL OF 2 SECONDS. THE #1 FLT ATTENDANT CAME UP AND ASKED WHAT THE NOISE WAS. WE SAID THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A COMPRESSOR STALL, HOWEVER, THERE WAS NEVER ANY ABNORMAL ENG OR ANY OTHER INDICATION. THE AUTOTHROTTLES REMAINED ENGAGED. THEY WILL DISENGAGE WITH ANY ABNORMAL FLUX IN PWR. SHE SAID THAT ALL WAS OK IN THE CABIN, EXCEPT THAT EVERYONE WAS WONDERING WHAT THE NOISE WAS. THE #1 FLT ATTENDANT CAME BACK UP APPROX 2 MINS LATER AND SAID THAT THE FAA INSPECTOR WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE COCKPIT. WE TOLD HER THAT ALL WAS OK. THE CAPT MADE AN INFORMATIVE PAX ANNOUNCEMENT. THIS WAS ONLY A BRIEF ONE-TIME OCCURRENCE WITH NO ABNORMAL INDICATIONS, WE CONTINUED. OUR ABNORMAL SECTION OF OUR AOM INSTRUCTS ON HOW TO STOP THE 'POPPING' NOISE AND SECURE AN ENG IF UNABLE. IT DOES NOT INSTRUCT TO RETURN OR LAND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WHEN WE ARRIVED AT IAD WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ABNORMALITIES, THE FAA INSPECTOR QUERIED TO WHY WE DID NOT RETURN TO ATL. WE STATED THAT THERE WAS NO ABNORMAL INDICATIONS WHICH WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE PROC FOR A COMPRESSOR STALL. THE CAPT FELT BEST TO CONTINUE AND NOT RETURN TO THE TURB IN ATL WITH A 'GOOD' ACFT. THE INSPECTOR SAID HE DISAGREED AND STATED THAT HE WAS WRITING UP A RPT. I FEEL THE INSPECTOR SHOWED TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE CREW AND ITS KNOWLEDGE AND PROFESSIONALISM -- NOR THE CAPT'S DECISION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.