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Attributes | |
ACN | 339670 |
Time | |
Date | 199606 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 339670 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 10 |
ASRS Report | 339781 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were cleared by lax approach control to depart santa monica on a 070 degree heading as a vector for an ILS approach to runway 24R at lax. Approximately 5 mi east of the airport the controller asked whether we had the airport in sight. We advised that we did. He then cleared us to follow an aircraft that was on final for runway 24R and cleared us for a visual approach to runway 24R. I told the first officer (who was flying) to turn to a 180 degree heading. As we turned base with the aircraft ahead in sight, due to marginal visibility we lost visual contact with the runway. During the turn to final and after contacting the tower controller, we flew slightly through the localizer course. The tower controller advised us that parallel approachs to runway 25L were in progress and requested us to turn back north to intercept the localizer. I advised that we were in the right turn to intercept. We continued the approach and landing without incident. No traffic conflicts occurred at any time during the approach. I think the problem was caused by the following factors: 1) me being distraction from our position in relation to the localizer while trying to regain visual contact with the runway. 2) my concentrating on trying to maintain visual contact with the aircraft ahead. 3) marginal visibility conditions, which prevented our ability to maintain visual contact with the runway (which we had earlier). I think the problem can be avoided in the future by refusing to accept a visual approach in marginal conditions. Supplemental information from acn 339781: we flew through the runway 24R localizer and was lined up with runway 24L. Realizing our mistake we corrected back to runway 24R about the same time the controller asked if we were correcting back. We landed without incident. This event could have been avoided if we did not accept a visual approach in marginal conditions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 HAS DIFFICULTY FLYING VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX BECAUSE OF WX.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED BY LAX APCH CTL TO DEPART SANTA MONICA ON A 070 DEG HDG AS A VECTOR FOR AN ILS APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX. APPROX 5 MI E OF THE ARPT THE CTLR ASKED WHETHER WE HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT. WE ADVISED THAT WE DID. HE THEN CLRED US TO FOLLOW AN ACFT THAT WAS ON FINAL FOR RWY 24R AND CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24R. I TOLD THE FO (WHO WAS FLYING) TO TURN TO A 180 DEG HDG. AS WE TURNED BASE WITH THE ACFT AHEAD IN SIGHT, DUE TO MARGINAL VISIBILITY WE LOST VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE RWY. DURING THE TURN TO FINAL AND AFTER CONTACTING THE TWR CTLR, WE FLEW SLIGHTLY THROUGH THE LOC COURSE. THE TWR CTLR ADVISED US THAT PARALLEL APCHS TO RWY 25L WERE IN PROGRESS AND REQUESTED US TO TURN BACK N TO INTERCEPT THE LOC. I ADVISED THAT WE WERE IN THE R TURN TO INTERCEPT. WE CONTINUED THE APCH AND LNDG WITHOUT INCIDENT. NO TFC CONFLICTS OCCURRED AT ANY TIME DURING THE APCH. I THINK THE PROB WAS CAUSED BY THE FOLLOWING FACTORS: 1) ME BEING DISTR FROM OUR POS IN RELATION TO THE LOC WHILE TRYING TO REGAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE RWY. 2) MY CONCENTRATING ON TRYING TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE ACFT AHEAD. 3) MARGINAL VISIBILITY CONDITIONS, WHICH PREVENTED OUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE RWY (WHICH WE HAD EARLIER). I THINK THE PROB CAN BE AVOIDED IN THE FUTURE BY REFUSING TO ACCEPT A VISUAL APCH IN MARGINAL CONDITIONS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 339781: WE FLEW THROUGH THE RWY 24R LOC AND WAS LINED UP WITH RWY 24L. REALIZING OUR MISTAKE WE CORRECTED BACK TO RWY 24R ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE CORRECTING BACK. WE LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. THIS EVENT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF WE DID NOT ACCEPT A VISUAL APCH IN MARGINAL CONDITIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.