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Attributes | |
ACN | 340697 |
Time | |
Date | 199607 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3650 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340B |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute airway : dfw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 340697 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Departed dfw runway 17R on the trigate 3 SID, after departure turned left heading 120 degrees and climbed to 2000 ft MSL. Contacted departure who issued cessna traffic at 12 O'clock, 2000 ft, opposite direction and in a left 360 degree turn. TCASII confirmed this with a TA. Captain obtained visual with the cessna as the TCASII issued an RA. We maintained 2000 ft and turned left 10 degrees while the captain maintained visual. Cessna passed off our right wing inside 1 mi, at the same altitude, and in a left turn. After the above incident, departure issued a climb to 4000 ft and a left turn to 050 degrees. (It was the same frequency but a different voice. Maybe a supervisor?) approximately on a 050 degree heading and 15 NM northeast of dfw, departure issued a climb to 12000 ft. Shortly after, the TCASII is issuing a TA. The aircraft appeared 12 O'clock and 2 mi descending from 4300 ft. We maintained 4000 ft. Departure then issued traffic to us and said that the cessna traffic had us in sight and was descending to 4000 ft. The TCASII followed with an RA and gave a 1700 FPM descent indication. I followed the RA to approximately 3650 ft and the cessna traffic passed directly over us with 200 ft. As soon as TCASII issued clear of conflict, we returned to 4000 ft. The captain saw the aircraft as it was passing over us and it was close enough to see oil stains on the belly. Luckily we had TCASII and did not initiate the climb when issued. After first TCASII RA ATC said for us to keep our speed up at 4000 ft, and be ready for a fast climb. TCASII worked properly and I believe prevented a midair. I think that ATC should not allow a GA pilot in a low performance aircraft to maintain visual with a high performance aircraft because the GA pilot probably does not have any idea of our performance capability.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A COMMUTER FLC EXPERIENCED TWO TCASII RA'S WHILE IN DFW CLASS B AIRSPACE. THE CREW FOLLOWED THE RA COMMANDS DURING THE SECOND INCIDENT. THE RPTR BELIEVES THAT SUCH VISUAL SEPARATION CLRNCS SHOULD NOT BE ISSUED TO LOW PERFORMANCE ACFT WHEN A HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT IS INVOLVED.
Narrative: DEPARTED DFW RWY 17R ON THE TRIGATE 3 SID, AFTER DEP TURNED L HDG 120 DEGS AND CLBED TO 2000 FT MSL. CONTACTED DEP WHO ISSUED CESSNA TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK, 2000 FT, OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND IN A L 360 DEG TURN. TCASII CONFIRMED THIS WITH A TA. CAPT OBTAINED VISUAL WITH THE CESSNA AS THE TCASII ISSUED AN RA. WE MAINTAINED 2000 FT AND TURNED L 10 DEGS WHILE THE CAPT MAINTAINED VISUAL. CESSNA PASSED OFF OUR R WING INSIDE 1 MI, AT THE SAME ALT, AND IN A L TURN. AFTER THE ABOVE INCIDENT, DEP ISSUED A CLB TO 4000 FT AND A L TURN TO 050 DEGS. (IT WAS THE SAME FREQ BUT A DIFFERENT VOICE. MAYBE A SUPVR?) APPROX ON A 050 DEG HDG AND 15 NM NE OF DFW, DEP ISSUED A CLB TO 12000 FT. SHORTLY AFTER, THE TCASII IS ISSUING A TA. THE ACFT APPEARED 12 O'CLOCK AND 2 MI DSNDING FROM 4300 FT. WE MAINTAINED 4000 FT. DEP THEN ISSUED TFC TO US AND SAID THAT THE CESSNA TFC HAD US IN SIGHT AND WAS DSNDING TO 4000 FT. THE TCASII FOLLOWED WITH AN RA AND GAVE A 1700 FPM DSCNT INDICATION. I FOLLOWED THE RA TO APPROX 3650 FT AND THE CESSNA TFC PASSED DIRECTLY OVER US WITH 200 FT. AS SOON AS TCASII ISSUED CLR OF CONFLICT, WE RETURNED TO 4000 FT. THE CAPT SAW THE ACFT AS IT WAS PASSING OVER US AND IT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE OIL STAINS ON THE BELLY. LUCKILY WE HAD TCASII AND DID NOT INITIATE THE CLB WHEN ISSUED. AFTER FIRST TCASII RA ATC SAID FOR US TO KEEP OUR SPD UP AT 4000 FT, AND BE READY FOR A FAST CLB. TCASII WORKED PROPERLY AND I BELIEVE PREVENTED A MIDAIR. I THINK THAT ATC SHOULD NOT ALLOW A GA PLT IN A LOW PERFORMANCE ACFT TO MAINTAIN VISUAL WITH A HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT BECAUSE THE GA PLT PROBABLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY IDEA OF OUR PERFORMANCE CAPABILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.