Narrative:

The C172 belongs to private flying club at gaithersburg, md, whose members rent it for nominal fee. I am member, providing weekend cfii instruction to other members. At XA00 I was in gai restaurant with friends, awaiting return of the aircraft after a trip to fdk by another member. This member and his wife had recently been given their BFR by another club cfii. I had never flown with this member or wife. At XA10 I received a telecon from wife: 'we'll be late back. Aircraft developed a nosewheel shimmy on takeoff roll, we aborted.' I advised wife: 'subject aircraft has history of nosewheel shimmy. On takeoff roll, apply back pressure on stick to take weight off nosewheel, also on landing.' wife repeated this advice to husband (pilot) and then rang off. She did not ask whether to attempt another takeoff, and I did not recommend that she/husband should attempt takeoff. At XA30 I received second telecon from wife: 'we just crashed on fdk runway 23. Nosewheel collapse on takeoff roll.' I commiserated and started phoning club members to assist. Subsequently husband pilot stated that he held back pressure, rotated at 40 mph, and continued holding back pressure awaiting asi to indicate proper climb-speed (65 mph). Temperature 95 degrees, aircraft near gross, I suspect aircraft flew out of ground effect (below stall speed: 55 mph) and stalled. Pilot states aircraft was airborne 'to about 40 ft' before hitting hard on nosewheel. I also suspect pilot suffered a bout of 'instructor-itis,' he allowed my advice to override his own judgement and his knowledge of takeoff technique in prevailing WX. In future when asked for advice, I shall assume requester to be primary student regardless of actual qualifications/experience/currency, and advise accordingly.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLYING CLUB CFII GAVE SOME ADVICE VIA TELEPHONE ON HOW TO HANDLE A CLUB C172 THAT HAD NOSEWHEEL SHIMMY WHILE OPERATING AT ANOTHER ARPT. PLT TOOK ADVICE AND ENDED UP STALLING ACFT ON TKOF AND COLLAPSING THE NOSE GEAR AND CATCHING WINGTIP ON RWY.

Narrative: THE C172 BELONGS TO PVT FLYING CLUB AT GAITHERSBURG, MD, WHOSE MEMBERS RENT IT FOR NOMINAL FEE. I AM MEMBER, PROVIDING WEEKEND CFII INSTRUCTION TO OTHER MEMBERS. AT XA00 I WAS IN GAI RESTAURANT WITH FRIENDS, AWAITING RETURN OF THE ACFT AFTER A TRIP TO FDK BY ANOTHER MEMBER. THIS MEMBER AND HIS WIFE HAD RECENTLY BEEN GIVEN THEIR BFR BY ANOTHER CLUB CFII. I HAD NEVER FLOWN WITH THIS MEMBER OR WIFE. AT XA10 I RECEIVED A TELECON FROM WIFE: 'WE'LL BE LATE BACK. ACFT DEVELOPED A NOSEWHEEL SHIMMY ON TKOF ROLL, WE ABORTED.' I ADVISED WIFE: 'SUBJECT ACFT HAS HISTORY OF NOSEWHEEL SHIMMY. ON TKOF ROLL, APPLY BACK PRESSURE ON STICK TO TAKE WT OFF NOSEWHEEL, ALSO ON LNDG.' WIFE REPEATED THIS ADVICE TO HUSBAND (PLT) AND THEN RANG OFF. SHE DID NOT ASK WHETHER TO ATTEMPT ANOTHER TKOF, AND I DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT SHE/HUSBAND SHOULD ATTEMPT TKOF. AT XA30 I RECEIVED SECOND TELECON FROM WIFE: 'WE JUST CRASHED ON FDK RWY 23. NOSEWHEEL COLLAPSE ON TKOF ROLL.' I COMMISERATED AND STARTED PHONING CLUB MEMBERS TO ASSIST. SUBSEQUENTLY HUSBAND PLT STATED THAT HE HELD BACK PRESSURE, ROTATED AT 40 MPH, AND CONTINUED HOLDING BACK PRESSURE AWAITING ASI TO INDICATE PROPER CLB-SPD (65 MPH). TEMP 95 DEGS, ACFT NEAR GROSS, I SUSPECT ACFT FLEW OUT OF GND EFFECT (BELOW STALL SPD: 55 MPH) AND STALLED. PLT STATES ACFT WAS AIRBORNE 'TO ABOUT 40 FT' BEFORE HITTING HARD ON NOSEWHEEL. I ALSO SUSPECT PLT SUFFERED A BOUT OF 'INSTRUCTOR-ITIS,' HE ALLOWED MY ADVICE TO OVERRIDE HIS OWN JUDGEMENT AND HIS KNOWLEDGE OF TKOF TECHNIQUE IN PREVAILING WX. IN FUTURE WHEN ASKED FOR ADVICE, I SHALL ASSUME REQUESTER TO BE PRIMARY STUDENT REGARDLESS OF ACTUAL QUALIFICATIONS/EXPERIENCE/CURRENCY, AND ADVISE ACCORDINGLY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.