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Attributes | |
ACN | 344048 |
Time | |
Date | 199608 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around other ground : parked |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 12300 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 344048 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 343689 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency other other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Dispatched out of cle with minimum fuel, no altitude (lax, WX good) -- en route, lax WX deteriorating, dispatch gives ont as altitude. On approach, traffic separation with heavy B767 not acceptable. We were told to go around. We requested direct to ont, due to fuel situation. Socal approach advised, he would have to take us south of long beach and around to ont. We then decided safest action, declare emergency fuel and was brought right into lax, after go around. Supplemental information from acn 343689: we were scheduled to arrive in lax with 7500 pounds. En route 2 hours out of lax dispatch selcals our flight, wanted to add an alternate of ontario, ca, because lax forecast has changed now requiring an alternate. My immediate thought was we do not have enough fuel. I expressed my concern to dispatch. They had run the fuel numbers and by the computer we had enough fuel to legally continue. I told the dispatcher I would not continue beyond ontario to la if our fuel state was low. We were held down low by ZOB and, slowed plus vectored by ZLA. We were running about 600 pounds behind approaching ontario. I decided to continue as approachs were going smoothly. We were sequenced behind a B767 heavy. Lax approach slowed us 4 times, finally requesting approach speed. We now had 5500 pounds. We got to the gate with 4700 pounds. Never go to a high density airport with just a little fuel. ATC system being stretched to breaking point.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IN-TRAIL SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS LOST AS MLG TOLD TO GAR. CREATES A PROB FOR FLC REGARDING FUEL REQUIRED REMAINING. FUEL EMER DECLARED.
Narrative: DISPATCHED OUT OF CLE WITH MINIMUM FUEL, NO ALT (LAX, WX GOOD) -- ENRTE, LAX WX DETERIORATING, DISPATCH GIVES ONT AS ALT. ON APCH, TFC SEPARATION WITH HVY B767 NOT ACCEPTABLE. WE WERE TOLD TO GAR. WE REQUESTED DIRECT TO ONT, DUE TO FUEL SIT. SOCAL APCH ADVISED, HE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE US S OF LONG BEACH AND AROUND TO ONT. WE THEN DECIDED SAFEST ACTION, DECLARE EMER FUEL AND WAS BROUGHT RIGHT INTO LAX, AFTER GAR. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 343689: WE WERE SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE IN LAX WITH 7500 LBS. ENRTE 2 HRS OUT OF LAX DISPATCH SELCALS OUR FLT, WANTED TO ADD AN ALTERNATE OF ONTARIO, CA, BECAUSE LAX FORECAST HAS CHANGED NOW REQUIRING AN ALTERNATE. MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT WAS WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUEL. I EXPRESSED MY CONCERN TO DISPATCH. THEY HAD RUN THE FUEL NUMBERS AND BY THE COMPUTER WE HAD ENOUGH FUEL TO LEGALLY CONTINUE. I TOLD THE DISPATCHER I WOULD NOT CONTINUE BEYOND ONTARIO TO LA IF OUR FUEL STATE WAS LOW. WE WERE HELD DOWN LOW BY ZOB AND, SLOWED PLUS VECTORED BY ZLA. WE WERE RUNNING ABOUT 600 LBS BEHIND APCHING ONTARIO. I DECIDED TO CONTINUE AS APCHS WERE GOING SMOOTHLY. WE WERE SEQUENCED BEHIND A B767 HVY. LAX APCH SLOWED US 4 TIMES, FINALLY REQUESTING APCH SPD. WE NOW HAD 5500 LBS. WE GOT TO THE GATE WITH 4700 LBS. NEVER GO TO A HIGH DENSITY ARPT WITH JUST A LITTLE FUEL. ATC SYS BEING STRETCHED TO BREAKING POINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.