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Approach controller cleared a C172 through class B airspace at 4500 ft and was vectoring a SF340 at 5000 ft for arrival to tpa. The SF340 got a TCASII RA on the C172 and climbed without a clearance to 5400 ft. Approach controller upset with SF340 flight crew.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 344345 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199608 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pie airport : tpa |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 5400 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tpa |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | SF 340B |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar pilot : private |
| Experience | controller military : 4 controller non radar : 15 controller radar : 15 flight time total : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 344345 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 900 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X SF340 leveling at 5000 ft in the downwind for his arrival at tpa. Small aircraft X, a C172, cleared through class B airspace assigned and level 4500 ft. I will never use minimum separation standard again to make this system work if pilots are required to deviate from ATC clrncs without any regard to what is happening around them. I'm tired of all the paperwork, the lack of backing from my mgrs and the lack of trust, not only inside the FAA towards controllers, but from the users as well. The SF340 climbed 400 ft above his altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR CLRED A C172 THROUGH CLASS B AIRSPACE AT 4500 FT AND WAS VECTORING A SF340 AT 5000 FT FOR ARR TO TPA. THE SF340 GOT A TCASII RA ON THE C172 AND CLBED WITHOUT A CLRNC TO 5400 FT. APCH CTLR UPSET WITH SF340 FLC.
Narrative: ACR X SF340 LEVELING AT 5000 FT IN THE DOWNWIND FOR HIS ARR AT TPA. SMA X, A C172, CLRED THROUGH CLASS B AIRSPACE ASSIGNED AND LEVEL 4500 FT. I WILL NEVER USE MINIMUM SEPARATION STANDARD AGAIN TO MAKE THIS SYS WORK IF PLTS ARE REQUIRED TO DEVIATE FROM ATC CLRNCS WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THEM. I'M TIRED OF ALL THE PAPERWORK, THE LACK OF BACKING FROM MY MGRS AND THE LACK OF TRUST, NOT ONLY INSIDE THE FAA TOWARDS CTLRS, BUT FROM THE USERS AS WELL. THE SF340 CLBED 400 FT ABOVE HIS ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.