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Attributes | |
ACN | 347443 |
Time | |
Date | 199609 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sie |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other other |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 347443 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 213 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 213 |
ASRS Report | 347449 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Sbound on airway A300, jfk-ccs at FL330. About 30 mi prior to champ we sighted a line of WX across the airway about 100 mi ahead. It looked like we would top it, but requested FL370 as our clearance over it became doubtful. Climb clearance was denied due to traffic. By 50 mi south of champ it was clear we would not top the WX which was a solid line and very active. I requested clearance to deviation from ny radio but to avoid entering the WX it was necessary to turn to parallel the line (245 degrees). We were VMC and remained VMC. No TCASII targets indicated. We informed ny radio of the turn and they relayed to ZNY which told us to squawk emergency, then gave us clearance to deviation west with a normal squawk. We found a way through the line about 60 mi west of the airway and worked our way back to flight planned route. If I had allowed more time for the delays which occur with HF radio and relayed clrncs, we would have had clearance to deviation prior to the point at which I had no choice. Supplemental information from acn 347449: the bottom line is that fast moving sits in a non radar ATC environment in a relative high density ATC environment does not promote safe operations. I have flown international for over 25 yrs, and have never understood why we do not talk directly to ny or oakland oceanic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON A300 AIRWAY NEAR CHAMP INTXN IS UNABLE TO GET CLRNC TO DEV LINE OF TSTMS. ELECTS TO DEV W PRIOR TO CLRNC. ADVISED TO SQUAWK EMER AND SHORT TIME LATER ADVISED TO SQUAWK NORMAL AND DEV W OF COURSE. COMMERCIAL RADIO WAS RELAYING TO CENTER. REMAINED VMC AT ALL TIMES AND NO TFC ON TCASII. DEV 60 MI W OF TRACK.
Narrative: SBOUND ON AIRWAY A300, JFK-CCS AT FL330. ABOUT 30 MI PRIOR TO CHAMP WE SIGHTED A LINE OF WX ACROSS THE AIRWAY ABOUT 100 MI AHEAD. IT LOOKED LIKE WE WOULD TOP IT, BUT REQUESTED FL370 AS OUR CLRNC OVER IT BECAME DOUBTFUL. CLB CLRNC WAS DENIED DUE TO TFC. BY 50 MI S OF CHAMP IT WAS CLR WE WOULD NOT TOP THE WX WHICH WAS A SOLID LINE AND VERY ACTIVE. I REQUESTED CLRNC TO DEV FROM NY RADIO BUT TO AVOID ENTERING THE WX IT WAS NECESSARY TO TURN TO PARALLEL THE LINE (245 DEGS). WE WERE VMC AND REMAINED VMC. NO TCASII TARGETS INDICATED. WE INFORMED NY RADIO OF THE TURN AND THEY RELAYED TO ZNY WHICH TOLD US TO SQUAWK EMER, THEN GAVE US CLRNC TO DEV W WITH A NORMAL SQUAWK. WE FOUND A WAY THROUGH THE LINE ABOUT 60 MI W OF THE AIRWAY AND WORKED OUR WAY BACK TO FLT PLANNED RTE. IF I HAD ALLOWED MORE TIME FOR THE DELAYS WHICH OCCUR WITH HF RADIO AND RELAYED CLRNCS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD CLRNC TO DEV PRIOR TO THE POINT AT WHICH I HAD NO CHOICE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 347449: THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT FAST MOVING SITS IN A NON RADAR ATC ENVIRONMENT IN A RELATIVE HIGH DENSITY ATC ENVIRONMENT DOES NOT PROMOTE SAFE OPS. I HAVE FLOWN INTL FOR OVER 25 YRS, AND HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE DO NOT TALK DIRECTLY TO NY OR OAKLAND OCEANIC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.